If you say so. The movie completely lost me when I found out what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe that is just me.
And Star Trek V failed because...
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If you say so. The movie completely lost me when I found out what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe that is just me.
I think, to go to the original purpose of the thread, that TFF faced a perfect storm that led to it not being successful. It wasn't. Just one thing, to be sure.
1. Studio interference, trying to pressure the filmmakers into re-establishing the success of TVH with a light comedy tone.
2. The 1988 writers strike
3. David Loughery was the wrong script writer to bring the story to the screen
4. Shatner, as director, mismanaged certain elements of the film (certainly not all, though)
5. The special effects company, Ferren and Associates did not come through
6. TNG was beaming Trek into households every week, which may have made the film less special.
7. The competition that summer was brutal...really the second true blockbuster summer after summer of 84 set the tone. The movie may have done $15-20m more as a holiday release.
8. The story wasn't a mass-appeal story, and came off as sloppy and unfinished.
1. Studio interference, trying to pressure the filmmakers into re-establishing the success of TVH with a light comedy tone.
2. The 1988 writers strike
3. David Loughery was the wrong script writer to bring the story to the screen
4. Shatner, as director, mismanaged certain elements of the film (certainly not all, though)
5. The special effects company, Ferren and Associates did not come through
6. TNG was beaming Trek into households every week, which may have made the film less special.
7. The competition that summer was brutal...really the second true blockbuster summer after summer of 84 set the tone. The movie may have done $15-20m more as a holiday release.
8. The story wasn't a mass-appeal story, and came off as sloppy and unfinished.
A bizarre thing for me is Eden being supposed to be on a planet near the center of the galaxy. Isn't the Garden of Eden supposed to be on Earth? It would work better for me if they said they were trying to get to Heaven by flying the ship into the Great Barrier.
Besides, they already did search for planet Eden in the TV series, and it was a crappy episode.
I always viewed the concept of Sha Ka Ree to be like a "trial" that pilgrims would have to overcome. If you are worthy enough to find the location of the planet and cross the barrier, the "almighty" would appear to you.
It wasn't necessarily that the planet was the actual "home" of the supreme being.
It wasn't necessarily that the planet was the actual "home" of the supreme being.
Why wouldn't you? As Woulfe and I can attest, taking a neophyte with little to no experience with Star Trek to TFF can instill in them an admirable appreciation for it. Woulfe and I, and another friend of ours, were chewing on our cheeks and tongues to keep from saying something that would turn off my co-worker and his friend to ST, when they gave us the out of "That was great!", giving us the opportunity to tell them "You like that? Well, the rest are even better!" As far as I know, my co-worker and his friend are lifelong fans 25 years later.
I like the trial element. That makes sense.
I have never seen the Great Barrier and the planet behind/within it to be at the center of the galaxy. More likely between the galactic arms, using the gravitation of the arms to hold the barrier in place. But once the Enterprise enters, Sybok is so overcome with whatever that he rationalizes "We're there! We've made it!" And Act Three comes to fruition from there.
Right. You need to assume that the phrase "the center of the galaxy" is referring very generally to a vast region not in one of the spiral arms...not in the pinpoint center of the Milky Way.
I guess a good thing about calling it Eden is that the Great Barrier matches certain Biblical imagery:
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
— Genesis 3:24
— Genesis 3:24
Imagine Gene Roddenberry's Time Travel story to $ave JFK getting produced, instead of this one. Aiy-yi-yi ... There were plenty of shit stories always threatening to get the Green Light in this franchise. On paper, at least, I would've preferred The Shat's original story ... until I started seeing the shots come in. Like Sybok's taking over Paradise City without ANY show of resistance from the townspeople there, when the movie, in fact, openned with a loser ready to bust a pebble in Sybok's belly just to protect his Field of Holes. I mean ... how stupid is that? But if Sybok had met resistance, then Kirk's strong-arming nameless stuntmen would seem less "impressive," so we have to save that for when the Enterprise gets here. Yet another example of Shatner's Ego used to ill-effect. But ... I'm still glad the Enterprise didn't fly through The Guardian of Forever to $ave JFK, instead.
I agree that there were some far-greater bullets dodged with regard to potential turd story ideas.
I think, with regard to the takeover of Paradise City, it is implied that the citizens there are weaponless. The settlers outside the city can't be policed and were therefore better armed, but people living within the city walls probably don't have weapons immediately available (although Korrd apparently had a disruptor, as he draws it on Kirk during the rescue).
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