An interesting line from Wired (spoilers)

[CaptainWacky]

I still don't see how time travel can explain the ages of all the characters changing (spoilers seem to indicate Kirk, McCoy, Chekov, Sulu and Uhura are all the same age...I guess McCoy could have enrolled at the Academy later in life than the others.)

 

[Ovation]

I still don't see how time travel can explain the ages of all the characters changing (spoilers seem to indicate Kirk, McCoy, Chekov, Sulu and Uhura are all the same age...I guess McCoy could have enrolled at the Academy later in life than the others.)

I've neither seen nor read anything to support this idea. Nothing. What I have seen and read puts all these people in the same place at the same time--but NOTHING to suggest that they are all the "same age". People who think that are projecting.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There's a discontinuity here:

In the process the timeline that we know has been completely obliterated. No more TOS.

versus this:

The original is not disavowed. It happened. It had to in order for Nero from the original universe to go back in time, destroy it, and for Nimoy's Spock from the original universe to create the new timeline.

In other words, it's all good. The old stuff all happened. And the new Trek will move forward unfettered.

If the events of existing Trek canon aren't part of the timeline, then effectively they *never* happened. All previous Trek is now worthless. Why is this a good thing?

 

[Tom Servo]

There's a discontinuity here:

In the process the timeline that we know has been completely obliterated. No more TOS.

versus this:

The original is not disavowed. It happened. It had to in order for Nero from the original universe to go back in time, destroy it, and for Nimoy's Spock from the original universe to create the new timeline.

In other words, it's all good. The old stuff all happened. And the new Trek will move forward unfettered.

If the events of existing Trek canon aren't part of the timeline, then effectively they *never* happened. All previous Trek is now worthless. Why is this a good thing?

Oh whats with the , come on.....

It doesnt make all the previous trek irrelivent, just in a different timeline. I mean really, alternate realities are a reality in trek. Why is it we have to just have all the stories in one reality?

 

[shapeshifter]

In my opinion, the addition of Old Spock proves the original time still occurred.

The question I wonder about is; how did he know it would be changed and slip back in time before time changed around him. Was it a feeling like he got about V'GERs approach, maybe time did change around him and he was just bright enough to perceive it... I don't know, I hope the movie explains it.

 

[Bill Morris]

In the beginning, J.J. drops a '66 Vette off a cliff and symbolically the '66 version of Trek. At the end, Shatner pushes J.J.'s 2009 model over the same cliff, the TOS timeline is restored, old Spock gives him a high five on the TOS bridge, and the original Enterprise warps away. There's your cameo.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It doesnt make all the previous trek irrelivent, just in a different timeline. I mean really, alternate realities are a reality in trek. Why is it we have to just have all the stories in one reality?

If a timeline no longer exists, how can it be relevant?

 

[Tom Servo]

It doesnt make all the previous trek irrelivent, just in a different timeline. I mean really, alternate realities are a reality in trek. Why is it we have to just have all the stories in one reality?

If a timeline no longer exists, how can it be relevant?

Old Spock still exists from the original timeline, which must mean it still exists.

There can be more then one timeline. It does not make one more relevant or less relevant then another. Hell alternate timelines are as much a part of trek as Warp Drive and Klingons.

 

[scotthm]

That being said....who gives a shit? This will hopefully be a fun movie anyway.

The reason so many not-very-good movies get made is because audiences just don't care. It's a shame really.

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[Tom Servo]

That being said....who gives a shit? This will hopefully be a fun movie anyway.

The reason so many not-very-good movies get made is because audiences just don't care. It's a shame really.

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Well the reason people are already trashing this movie, has nothing to do whether its a good movie or not, since no one has seen it. Its from Trekkies who are bitching about the slightest variation from TEH CANON!11!!

If you want to make the argument about whether or not its going to be a good movie, then you have to wait for it to come out, and for the reviews to pour in, good or bad.

I do find its funny though, is while some people are already claiming this movie is going to suck, almost everyone who has seen footage from the film thinks it is going to be excellent.

 

[Lapis Exilis]

It doesnt make all the previous trek irrelivent, just in a different timeline. I mean really, alternate realities are a reality in trek. Why is it we have to just have all the stories in one reality?

If a timeline no longer exists, how can it be relevant?

Relevant to what?

This is fiction. The stories can still be enjoyed and Trek "canon" has always been an inconsistent hodge-podge anyway.

 

[scotthm]

The reason so many not-very-good movies get made is because audiences just don't care. It's a shame really.

If you want to make the argument about whether or not its going to be a good movie, then you have to wait for it to come out

Of course. I haven't said it won't be good, I've just said that my expectations have recently been diminished.

I hope the movie is very good.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

It doesnt make all the previous trek irrelivent, just in a different timeline. I mean really, alternate realities are a reality in trek. Why is it we have to just have all the stories in one reality?

If a timeline no longer exists, how can it be relevant?

Relevant to what?

Relevant to whether or not these things really happened (in a fictional context).

This is fiction. The stories can still be enjoyed and Trek "canon" has always been an inconsistent hodge-podge anyway.

I see. So how can you watch existing Trek, knowing that it will all be wiped out?

 

[JoeZhang]

I see. So how can you watch existing Trek, knowing that it will all be wiped out?

Because it's not real and cannot be wiped out? I simply cannot understand this perspective.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I see. So how can you watch existing Trek, knowing that it will all be wiped out?

Because it's not real and cannot be wiped out? I simply cannot understand this perspective.

It's real *within a fictional Trek context*. Obviously it's not literally in our own real life, but it is within theirs.

There is one Trek continuity. Either the existing TV series and films happened in it, or they didn't happen at all. If, as I have been hearing, Nero wipes the existing timeline from history, then it damn well sure *can* be wiped out...

 

[JoeZhang]

I see. So how can you watch existing Trek, knowing that it will all be wiped out?

Because it's not real and cannot be wiped out? I simply cannot understand this perspective.

It's real *within a fictional Trek context*. Obviously it's not literally in our own real life, but it is within theirs.

There is one Trek continuity. Either the existing TV series and films happened in it, or they didn't happen at all. If, as I have been hearing, Nero wipes the existing timeline from history, then it damn well sure *can* be wiped out...

But how does this stop you watching TOS? or TNG? I'm truly baffled - you will be unable to watch them after the new film comes out because of the new film, it will be so distracting to you?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But how does this stop you watching TOS? or TNG?

It doesn't *stop* me, just makes it a bit more difficult. Knowing that everything I see in those series, no longer exists - that, Trek-wise, it never happened. You telling me that wouldn't bother you too?

 

[Michael]

But how does this stop you watching TOS? or TNG?

It doesn't *stop* me, just makes it a bit more difficult. Knowing that everything I see in those series, no longer exists - that, Trek-wise, it never happened. You telling me that wouldn't bother you too?

Wouldn't and won't bother me even a tiny little bit.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But how does this stop you watching TOS? or TNG?

It doesn't *stop* me, just makes it a bit more difficult. Knowing that everything I see in those series, no longer exists - that, Trek-wise, it never happened. You telling me that wouldn't bother you too?

Wouldn't and won't bother me even a tiny little bit.

I don't believe you.

It won't be so bad, though, if it turns out to be true that:

Spoiler: Trek XI

by the end of the film, things are put back pretty much the way they were, but with a few differences. Still alternate, just not quite *as* alternate, and with the reasonable assurance that everything we saw in previous Trek more or less still happened.

 

[JoeZhang]

But how does this stop you watching TOS? or TNG?

You telling me that wouldn't bother you too?

Not in the slightest - it wouldn't even cross my mind. Oh sure, it might be *interesting* for someone to do a follow-up novel or something that says how TNG was different but when I'm channel hopping - I'll just go "cool, measure of a man/City on the edge of forever", not "this never happened!"