Spoilers An easy explanation for the klingon ship design in Season 1

[Unimatrix Q]

I believe what we have seen during Enterprise of the Klingons was the Second Empire, mentioned in DS9. It came to an end in a civil war before Discovery Season 1.

L'rell founded its successor state, the Klingon Empire that we know from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

That would explain why the Klingons had an uniform ship design during Enterprise and the klingon houses during the first season of Discovery used ships of many different designs in the war against the Federation.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I believe what we have seen during Enterprise of the Klingons was the Second Empire, mentioned in DS9. It came to an end in a civil war before Discovery Season 1.

L'rell founded its successor state, the Klingon Empire that we know from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

That would explain why the Klingons had an uniform ship design during Enterprise and the klingon houses during the first season of Discovery used ships of many different designs in the war against the Federation.

L'rell and Tyler basically say exactly this in the episode. The whole point of the D7 was for it to be a symbol of the unified empire before that each house was either building or buying their own ships.

 

[SCE2Aux]

I like that idea, and ties in nicely with what Ash/Voq sais about the D7.

I can't remember that ds9 reference, but it sounds interesting. What was the context for which the 2nd empire was mentioned?

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I like that idea, and ties in nicely with what Ash/Voq sais about the D7.

I can't remember that ds9 reference, but it sounds interesting. What was the context for which the 2nd empire was mentioned?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Empire

From "Till Death Do Us Part":

"WORF: They are dangerous. They do not tolerate incursions into their space. During the Second Empire, Chancellor Mow'ga sent a fleet of Klingon ships to conquer their homeworld, and they were never heard from again. We have been travelling for three days. We could be in Breen space by now."

 

[SCE2Aux]

Although I doubt the Discovery writers had this dialogue in mind when writing episode 3, it fits nicely and makes perfect sense.
It's a shame we probably won't see those season 1 ships again though, some of them were a refreshing take on what a Klingon design should be.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Although I doubt the Discovery writers had this dialogue in mind when writing episode 3, it fits nicely and makes perfect sense.
It's a shame we probably won't see those season 1 ships again though, some of them were a refreshing take on what a Klingon design should be.

I wouldn't underestimate the Discovery writers, with all the references to some very esoterical canon issues.

And even if they hadn't watched the episodes, it's easy to find stuff about klingon history on the Memory Alpha and Beta sites.

 

[cultcross]

I wouldn't underestimate the Discovery writers, with all the references to some very esoterical canon issues.

And even if they hadn't watched the episodes, it's easy to find stuff about klingon history on the Memory Alpha and Beta sites.

The episodes are full of obscure references - it's obvious the writers know their trivia.

 

[dahj]

The whole point of the D7 was for it to be a symbol of the unified empire

... and then they go ahead and sell it to those treacherous Romulans AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

... and then they go ahead and sell it to those treacherous Romulans AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING!

Guess we might see another Duras. Maybe he becomes a successor of L'Rell...

 

[Agony_Boothb]

... and then they go ahead and sell it to those treacherous Romulans AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING!

Little did the romulans know, the D7's were all used and had their odometers rolled back

 

[Tuskin38]

IIRC in the novels the Romulans and Klingons played each other in that deal, the Romulans gave the Klingons inferior cloaks, and the Klingons had a back door into the D7s systems.

I might be misremembering the Klingon part.

It's a shame we probably won't see those season 1 ships again though, some of them were a refreshing take on what a Klingon design should be.

I don’t think they’ll go away all at once. They haven’t completely changed the Klingon aesthetic, the face and head makeup is essentially the same, some of the S1 armour is still in use, as are their weapon designs.

 

[Dukhat]

I believe what we have seen during Enterprise of the Klingons was the Second Empire, mentioned in DS9. It came to an end in a civil war before Discovery Season 1.

L'rell founded its successor state, the Klingon Empire that we know from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

That would explain why the Klingons had an uniform ship design during Enterprise and the klingon houses during the first season of Discovery used ships of many different designs in the war against the Federation.

Nice explanation. But don’t think for one minute that the DSC writers did as much research as you did (i.e. they did no research at all), and also don’t think for one minute that one of them won’t read your post and take undeserved credit for your idea.

 

[SCE2Aux]

IIRC in the novels the Romulans and Klingons played each other in that deal, the Romulans gave the Klingons inferior cloaks, and the Klingons had a back door into the D7s systems.

I might be misremembering the Klingon part.



I don’t think they’ll go away all at once. They haven’t completely changed the Klingon aesthetic, the face and head makeup is essentially the same, some of the S1 armour is still in use, as are their weapon designs.

I very much hope that will be the case, time will tell
I'm wondering when the next Klingon episodes will be - for the moment they seem to have rounded off the Klingon storyline for this season.

 

[Tuskin38]

I very much hope that will be the case, time will tell
I'm wondering when the next Klingon episodes will be - for the moment they seem to have rounded off the Klingon storyline for this season.

They will be back this season, no idea when, but it has been confirmed.

 

[Saul]

I believe what we have seen during Enterprise of the Klingons was the Second Empire, mentioned in DS9. It came to an end in a civil war before Discovery Season 1.

L'rell founded its successor state, the Klingon Empire that we know from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

That would explain why the Klingons had an uniform ship design during Enterprise and the klingon houses during the first season of Discovery used ships of many different designs in the war against the Federation.

Getting learnt with Canon. Nice find!

 

[F. King Daniel]

If only they didn't already have a D7 in ENT: "Unexpected" or already shown a rebooted D7 in season one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

... and then they go ahead and sell it to those treacherous Romulans AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING!

"L'KhEED M'rTIN made a killing.

 

[Tuskin38]

If only they didn't already have a D7 in ENT

That was a K't'inga not a D7, and is was a continuity error. You can ignore it.

or already shown a rebooted D7 in season one.

That wasn't a D7.

(i.e. they did no research at all)

I don't know how you can say that given all the evidence on screen that they do research the canon.

A lot of the Klingon dialogue over the last 2 seasons would be completely different if they hadn't. All the stuff about Molor, everything they've said about Kahless and the Point of light, all come from the previous TV series. They didn't make that shit up. They did research.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

That was a K't'inga not a D7, and is was a continuity error. You can ignore it.

The K'Tinga is a D7, just with more detail. It goes back to who's responsible for the "D" designations. Probably Starfleet, if NATO's designations for Russian, German or Japanese planes is any guideline. K'Tinga is the Klingon name for it.

As far as small differences in design, StarFleet could just say D7A or D7B (think F15A or F15B) to satisfy themselves that it's basically the same ship with minor upgrades.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That wasn't a rebooted D7.

Yes it was, just like the Klingons were originally intended to be bald (and were all bald before the war began or agreeing to go to war. Oops!). They've since changed their minds and are in retcon mode.

That was a K't'inga and a continuity error.

As said in the other thread, it's the first time "D7" was uttered on-screen in VOY: "Prophecy" to refer to that same model which appeared in ENT: "Unexpected". They had another model but made the choice to reuse the D7/K'tinga. Therefore, it's canon.

Not that Discovery really cares. They're doing their own thing.