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AMC and OLTL cancelled. A moment of silence for the soap opera genre

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I think we can probably officially stick a fork in the American daytime drama genre - it's done. Although General Hospital has been renewed, ABC has announced the twin cancellations of All My Children and One Life to Life.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsideth...els-one-life-to-live-and-all-my-children.html

The former debuted in January 1970, the day after Jon Pertwee's first appearance on Doctor Who; the latter debuted during the summer of 1968, a year before man walked on the moon, just to put it into some context.

There might be one or two more soaps besides GH on the air in the US, but it does seem the writing is on the wall.

I've never been a personal fan of the genre, but I certain respect it. First, there's the extreme longevity of the shows. Not even Star Trek or Doctor Who can claim the decades upon decades racked up by soap operas. The Guiding Light, which ended a year or so ago, debuted on radio two years before Hitler invaded Poland, for heaven's sake. And we're talking shows that run 5 days a week - sometimes for an hour, or a half hour, with scripts to be written and learned and performed - up till the 1970s these things were done live, too.

Actors have lived their entire professional lives playing characters on soaps - some actors have gone from being strapping 20-somethings to being elderly and passing away from natural causes during the course of their time on shows like this. You wanna talk long form entertainment, think about that.

And many others used soap operas as a training ground. Tons of Star Trek actors, for example, started out on soaps.

And occasionally the genre mixed things up a bit and we ended up with stuff like Dark Shadows.

But I can see why it died. Its core target demographic was originally housewives and the retired who were home all day and needed entertainment while they did the laundry or sat in the rocker and knitted. But now you have two-income families, retired people are out volunteering or travelling, and the leftovers are more interested in watching Dr. Phil or Ellen - or they're watching reruns of CSI on Spike or a DVD or playing Wii Fit.

Plus when you're talking hundreds of episodes every 12 months, you ain't gonna see DVD releases. Dark Shadows is an anomaly as they did release that series to DVD, never mind you needed to build an addition to your garage to store all of the DVDs; it was worse in the 80s when the show was released to VHS, two episodes at a time, I kid you not. :eek:

Similarly, there's no rerun market for soaps. I know there are niche cable networks that do air soap reruns. But, really, putting the anomaly of Dark Shadows aside (because it was syndicated), you never saw Another World or General Hospital or the Guiding Light syndicated like you did, say, Trek or Get Smart reruns.

So RIP the soap opera. It was a unique form of entertainment that I'd frankly rather see than another variation on Dr. Drew's Celeb Rehab...

Alex
 
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Another thing to consider is that the two talk and information shows that will immediately replace them are likely to be much cheaper and easier for ABC to produce. From a financial standpoint, it was a no-brainer for the network, IMO.
 
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I was about to say, Whoa! How do you cancel a whole network with such breakout hits?

Until I read the post.
 
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I'm gonna have to put my sister on suicide watch. She's addicted to ABC's soaps.

Fotunately, my Y&R and B&B have survived the attack on the soaps.


(Yes, I have favorite soaps. Don't judge me.)
 
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I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.

Looking solely at ratings and ignoring everything else, those two soaps drew significantly lower ratings than some afternoon talk shows which I'm guessing are much cheaper to produce (e.g., Ellen).
 
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My wife has watched AMC and OLTL since before we met (over 20 years ago). She still TiVo's both shows daily.

She's going to be crushed when she gets home.
 
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(Yes, I have favorite soaps. Don't judge me.)
There was a year or two back in the mid-90s when I would watch Guiding Light just for shits and giggles, so I certainly don't judge any soap-watcher. This was back when the late Michael Zaslow (a.k.a. Star Trek's first-ever dead crewman) played bad guy Roger Thorpe.

Alex's analysis is pretty spot-on as to why the soaps have died; societal shifts have robbed them of their audience, and they have no ancillary value in either the rerun or home video market.

On a positive note, we will no longer have to torture ourselves over whether Susan Lucci will ever win another Daytime Emmy. :p

*raises glass*
 
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My wife has watched AMC and OLTL since before we met (over 20 years ago). She still TiVo's both shows daily.

She's going to be crushed when she gets home.



My mother is the same way. She has been watching them since I was a little kid back in the 70's.
 
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God, I haven't watched a soap since I was a teen-- way back in the Dark Ages.

I often wondered how these things managed to stay on the air for so long.
 
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The only soap I ever watched and enjoyed was Days of Our Lives in the 80s/90s with the whole Bo/Hope saga, Marlena's possession, Carly's live burial, Kristen's turn as multiple characters--some really fun storylines. I'd set my VCR to record them right before going to high school and then college. Then I'd come rushing home, grab something to eat and couldn't wait to watch that days' episode. It made me really appreciate long term serialization--I mean sometimes it took years for a storyline to play out but it showed how rewarding and exciting letting a story build and develop taking on more layers, characters and twists could be.

But I can't say I'm surprised by this news--soaps--like tv in general IMO-- haven't been that great in a decade--they just keep telling the same storylines over and over and just change the players thinking it will seem fresh--but it never does(there are only so many baby swaps, mistaken identities, pregnancies complicating relationships, etc). It also hasn't helped how in an effort to save money they've resorted to getting rid of the older much loved veterans and sticking us with a bunch of teens no one gives a crap about.

That said the two shows replacing it sound awful too but then again I think Oprah sucks too so what do I know about daytime viewing audiences.
 
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Both my wife and mother watch the ABC soaps. Currently though the wife isn't watching AMC which tends to drop from her viewing every couple of years. She loves OLTL though, its her favorite, better than GH in her opinion.
 
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I just saw this a while ago. Sad news. Never much was a fan of "All My Children" but did watch "One Life to Live" on and off. It does seem like the soap opera is on it's last legs.
 
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Soaps really were better in the 80s. They started to decline in the mid to late 90s when they actively started to court the "youth demo." One of the best actresses (and characters) left on soaps today is 80 year old Katherine Chancellor from "The Young and the Restless." The soap gives her story. The Bells know where their bread is buttered.
 
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A bunch of us got hooked in near the end of the original Luke and Laura run of GH and stayed with it through the Demi Moore years. I remember the media saying that storyline made it okay for men to watch.

So since the ABC Soaps are all in the same universe do we expect the most popular characters to make their way to Pine Valley?
 
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Yeah. I had to call my mom and tell her! I understand they get seriously low ratings, but are the new shows that have replaced the other gone soaps done any better? Maybe daytime programming in itself is the problem?

And again, honestly, I don't understand why they don't produce soaps to stream as original web programming. People could watch whenever they want, catch up on the past 30 years, and the networks and studios are still developing summer stock cast and crew for bigger and better things.

I don't watch soaps anymore but my thoughts more are on how this is going to effect the industry? Where will people walk on to and get started out if there are no soaps? Of course, I also don't really like the way that ratings can trump television history- canceling shows that began as radio dramas and all that, but eh what
can you do?


I think streaming the archive would solve the no-dvd problem, but I agree there is just no respect anymore. I think there is still a good number that watches soaps- but if its 20 people with one tv at a rest home, that doesn't help the numbers. SoapNet is also going off the air soon isn't it? Man, I wish there were an 80s channel that just ran all the nighttime soap greats! Kids today can't appreciate this stuff!
I was thisclose to being named Laura after Laura Spencer but instead ended up being named after Who Shot JR. :) My sister is named after Jaime Lyn Bower on The Young and the Restless. Speaking of which, are the remaining 4 merely on borrowed time or is NBC and CBS doing that much better than ABC?

I can imagine a few ladies who swear by ABC and have done so for 50 years but will completely boycott the channel now just for canceling these. Why don't they just continue the soaps but do them in rotation miniseries types? Remember when Loving and Port Charles and Ryan's Hope all kind of flipped around in the 11 and 12 slots?
 
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A bunch of us got hooked in near the end of the original Luke and Laura run of GH and stayed with it through the Demi Moore years. I remember the media saying that storyline made it okay for men to watch.

So since the ABC Soaps are all in the same universe do we expect the most popular characters to make their way to Pine Valley?

Pine Valley is AMC. :shifty:
 
Re: AMC and OLTL cancelled. A moment of silence for the soap opera gen

A bunch of us got hooked in near the end of the original Luke and Laura run of GH and stayed with it through the Demi Moore years. I remember the media saying that storyline made it okay for men to watch.

So since the ABC Soaps are all in the same universe do we expect the most popular characters to make their way to Pine Valley?

Pine Valley is AMC. :shifty:

Forgive me its been awhile, Port Charles right?
 
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I grew up watching a lot of soaps in the 80s thanks to my mom - but the only one I really stuck with long past I moved out was Days of Our Lives. Even that I stopped watching around 2003ish. But yeah, soaps can be absolutely atrocious, with plot dictating character actions and long stretches where something that could take place in a single episode is stretched out months (and not in a good way). But when they're fun they can be a total blast. startrekwatcher listed a lot of great stuff about Days upthread and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Also watched and enjoyed Sunset Beach, Another World, and some others in the 90s, but for awhile now the numbers have been whittled away. I know my mom still loves General Hospital. And I am pretty sure The Young and the Restless is on the air (seemed like that one always had the best ratings, but it wasn't my cup of tea.

As for the two that were recently cancelled, I never watched them, but it is a bit sad to see them go. It's like if monthly comics went away altogether. There's a lot of similarities between comics and soaps. They have some of the same downsides, too (endless retcons, for one, and just pretending certain things never happened).

Sarah Michelle Gellar learned her acting chops on AMC, if I'm not mistaken. I recall when Jensen Ackles was on Days. Anyway, this is too bad but it seems like the writing has been on the wall for some time and the numbers have been thinning since the mid 90s.
 
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^ Sarah earned a Daytime Emmy for her role on the show.
 
Re: AMC and OLTL cancelled. A moment of silence for the soap opera gen

A bunch of us got hooked in near the end of the original Luke and Laura run of GH and stayed with it through the Demi Moore years. I remember the media saying that storyline made it okay for men to watch.

So since the ABC Soaps are all in the same universe do we expect the most popular characters to make their way to Pine Valley?

Pine Valley is AMC. :shifty:

Forgive me its been awhile, Port Charles right?

That would be the only one left.
 
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