Amanda Rogers, the Q & The Grey, ST:FC

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I think it was pretty clear in the episode that she was not.

 

[borgboy]

Amanda's unusual circumstances of her birth (her parents living as human) and the possibility of different passage of time in the Q continnium both resolve the issue easily. Wiping Amanda out of the multiverse seems like overkill.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

She was clearly Amanda reckonwith.

 

[Enterprise1701]

The Voyager novel The Eternal Tide gives another explanation, that Amanda was erased from the multiverse somehow or other.

No, Q Junior and all the other Q have known Amanda for a long time at the beginning of The Eternal Tide, per both "True Q" and "The Q and the Grey". Then she is erased from the multiverse.

In the earlier-published TNG novel The Q Continuum: Q-Space by Greg Cox, Lady Q tells Beverly Crusher that Amanda Rogers doesn't count because "that creature was conceived in a primitive, strictly humanoid fashion." I guess the Star Trek novel authors, like many people here, have gone with the "doesn't count" explanation.

I always just assumed as others have stated, that since Amanda Rogers wasn't born in the Q Continuum, our buddy Q doesn't count her in his description of the Q's lack of offspring. One of the reasons he was investigating Amanda was to find out if she was a 'True Q' or some sort of bizarre hybrid. We see how Q mate in 'The Q and the Grey', I assume Amanda's parents did it the old-fashioned way.

Which begs the question - when a Q takes another form, does he/she actually BECOME that form? Like down to DNA and everything? Q's concern about Amanda's possible hybrid status would seem to suggest that they do.

I guess so. But it appears from canon Star Trek that the Q can manipulate their bodies on the space-time continuum any way they want, including selectively registering on starship sensors.

The way I've tried to logically explain incorporeal beings in Star Trek like the Q is that their omni-capable bodies from their own dimensions form links with matter and energy in the space-time continuum in almost any way imaginable. The Q can also dissolve the links as they please. Thus, Q turned Riker into a Q and back in "Hide and Q", Q was stripped and restored of Q status in "Deja Q", and Quinn was granted mortality in "Death Wish".

I guess because Amanda Roger's parents were rebelling against rules, they forgot to seal their links off in order to prevent Amanda from developing her own link. Unless they needed what Quinn did in order to have a standard human child. Either way, Amanda had a normal space-time body linked to the Q Continuum.

 

[JD5000]

Either way, Amanda had a normal space-time body linked to the Q Continuum.

I was under the impression that this was the form she chose without even realizing it, because it's what she thought she was. I don't know if her Q powers actually develop in puberty as latent things, or if this is when, as when humans go through puberty, this is just a time of self-realization when she starts understanding that she's a little different from other people but doesn't really know why.

it appears from canon Star Trek that the Q can manipulate their bodies on the space-time continuum any way they want, including selectively registering on starship sensors.

Ah - but do they actually change their bodies, or just make the scanners show what they want them to? It's hypothetical either way, just another perspective to think about.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Voyager novel The Eternal Tide gives another explanation, that Amanda was erased from the multiverse somehow or other.

No, Q Junior and all the other Q have known Amanda for a long time at the beginning of The Eternal Tide, per both "True Q" and "The Q and the Grey". Then she is erased from the multiverse.

Once erased, nobody had any memory of her. The implication being that the "Q and the Grey" we saw was in the post-erasure version of the timeline.

In the earlier-published TNG novel The Q Continuum: Q-Space by Greg Cox, Lady Q tells Beverly Crusher that Amanda Rogers doesn't count because "that creature was conceived in a primitive, strictly humanoid fashion." I guess the Star Trek novel authors, like many people here, have gone with the "doesn't count" explanation.

Kirsten Beyer is on record saying she ignored all the other Q novels when she wrote The Eternal Tide. Novelverse continuity is somewhat flexible - previous novels are contradicted by some authors and then sometimes later referenced by others.

 

[Shon T'Hara]

Time in the Q Continuum runs backwards (the way it is suppoed to), a process we puny Humans could never understand.

So from Q's point of view, he actually won at Farpoint and forced humanity to retreat to Earth and devolve into apes. That would explain why the Q never bothered Kirk.

Of course, since Q thinks humanity was expanding through space, it would indicate that the Federation actually went into decline after Farpoint as well, so Q wins both ways.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

How exactly the hell does a *Q* get erased from the timeline? I thought they existed completely outside of it.

 

[JD5000]

I think that's the distinction between the 'timeline' and the 'multiverse'. If I understand the concept of the latter correctly, the 'multiverse' consists of all timelines in all universes. Basically, everything that has been, is, and will ever be.

"Tapestry" gives a hint that Q have the ability to at least view, if not be a part of events in other timelines in other universes.

 

[Enterprise1701]

The Voyager novel The Eternal Tide gives another explanation, that Amanda was erased from the multiverse somehow or other.

No, Q Junior and all the other Q have known Amanda for a long time at the beginning of The Eternal Tide, per both "True Q" and "The Q and the Grey". Then she is erased from the multiverse.

Once erased, nobody had any memory of her. The implication being that the "Q and the Grey" we saw was in the post-erasure version of the timeline.

Nope. http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10505992#post10505992

How exactly the hell does a *Q* get erased from the timeline? I thought they existed completely outside of it.

Well apparently by the physics developed in the novels, the Q Continuum can be erased from existence, and so when Amanda Rogers traveled to the "Endgame" timeline, she blinked out of existence. Read Kirsten Beyer's 2012 VOY novel The Eternal Tide for all the details. It's an excellent novel.

I think that's the distinction between the 'timeline' and the 'multiverse'. If I understand the concept of the latter correctly, the 'multiverse' consists of all timelines in all universes. Basically, everything that has been, is, and will ever be.

"Tapestry" gives a hint that Q have the ability to at least view, if not be a part of events in other timelines in other universes.

Yup. Plus, in KRAD's 2007 TNG novel Q&A, Q reveals that he caused the quantum fissure that Worf encountered in "Parallels".