Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Danoz, Sep 7, 2010.
Corrected that for you.
I never had a problem with the concept of the theme tune. I describes very aptly the whole idea of the show. I just think the song is cheezy as fuck..not terrible, but cheesy.
Hollywood is cheesy. That was really the best they were ever going to do, and I'm glad they did. We didn't need another Goldsmith-inspired orchestral theme again.
LOL! Guess I hadn't thought of it like that. Well, to be fair it is an American produced television show.
I didn't hate it, but I would have preferred they use the orchestrated version on Broken Bow's end credits. Hard rock songs have no place in sci-fi.
What we REALLY needed was another James Goldsmith type score.
I liked it a lot...but I sure would have liked to have heard the much-prefered "end theme" as the main...provided, of course, it ended with Archer giving "Space...the final frontier..." as we see the NX01 (extended sequence, of course).
I thought it was OK. I would have preferred to have Scott singing it, tho'.
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I think it works better than "Faith Of The Heart".
^ That's awesome!
I watched ENT somewhat randomly (until season 4) and didn't like the theme at all, but I thought the remixed version was an improvement (though it didn't really fit with the darkness of season 3). I liked the backing orchestration, especially that epic sound when the logo appears.
I never interpreted him as a villain in MU. MU's society was very byzantine and I thought the point was that he was unfit for that society. He was a loser and he sucked in byzantine.
That's why his anger at hearing how succesful Archer is in PU, trying to suppress the realization that his life is a sad failure for nothing, a loser and weakling in a society where brutal success is your only value as a human being.
But perhaps I'm indeed just translating bad acting?
Well, he was insecure and not all that smart or skilled, and may say he was somewhat of a loser, but only because he was ambitious. I wouldn't say he was unfit for the society - he was moderately successful, being the XO of a ship (which is not that bad and must be already a higher position than most Terrans in the Empire, let alone non-Terrans), even becoming the captain for a while, and coming close to becoming an Emperor. In the end he was played by Sato, but getting played and killed by someone close to you is something that must have happened to a lot of people; Terran Empire is dog eat dog world, people kill each other all the time. (That's how MU Kirk became the captain of Enterprise, remember.) Mirror Archer was also ruthless and racist and a real bastard - and he planned to kill all non-Humans once he gained the power. Most MU Humans in this episode and "Mirror, Mirror" were what I consider villains. The only exceptions are Forrest, who wasn't that bad and Trip who was neither here nor there, but Archer, Sato and Reed were all nasty bastards/bitches, Mayweather was a despicable sycophant, and out of the aliens, Phlox was an evil bastard, too. The only people I could see as the sympathetic side were the rebels and the aliens that the Terrans tortured.
"Will you kindly DIE?!?"
Ok. I love the song and Russell Watson has an amazing voice. I just didn't think it was appropriate for the show. But rather than beat this dead horse, here is what I said about it earlier in the Enterprise Forum...
I think the song is good, and a great fit to the opening credits depicting the evolution of exploration.
The problem for me with that King Arthur one is that it sounds like music from Transformers.
The song is both horrible and awesome at the same time.
Horrible: It's a relatively uninteresting but OK song that is too unusual for the show and stands out too much as a theme. As a result, it bores you beyond belief after hearing it over and over. I find the lyrics and music a bit cheesy, it's also comes off as a bit extreme praise of achievements that don't exist. It's the low point of any episode.
Wonderful: After hearing it over and over, you start liking it anyway. And if you fall too deep in the show you start to relate to the lyrics, too. So somehow it makes you happy, even though you hate it. Especially in episodes that are taking place far from Earth. However, the best part about it is in “In a Mirror, Darkly...” If it wasn't for the standard theme song, the mirror theme music wouldn't sound as good. It contrasted with everything negative in the original one, it killed all the cheesy enthusiasm for exploration and advancement of the humankind, and replaced it with something quick-paced and much more dark and infernal.
That's good description.
In the 3rd season when everything was so distant from Earth and the whole idea of exploration, song, as much as it didn't really fit in one way, it did in another. It was reminder of a true Enterprise spirit.
And it really made a magnificent contrast to in mirror darkly, it was shocking just as it should have been.
I love it. I doubt I would have liked it as a pop song if I had heard it before the series, but since I always remember it in relation to the show (and the wonderful opening credits), it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Of course, I'm a total sap that way.
It was the just another clue that TPTB didn't "get" what they were trying to do with the series as a whole. It was a formulaic show that occasionally rose above itself and hit some pretty good heights, and the use of a pop song, that wasn't even originally composed for the show was the icing on the cake. It might be easier to dismiss it as a simple "creative stumble" if it had been created for the show, but as it was it reeked of a combination of laziness and contempt.
I love the Transformers OST. I don't think it would be a suitable score for a Trek series though
As for the ENT theme song, it had a major flaw - as shatnertage so aptly put it over in the ENT subforum:
I don't personally mind the song, but it is indicative of a basic problem with the show, which is that it was attempting to present a cooler, hipper, sexier Trek and failing miserably. (I like the song well enough, but I am not cool or hip, and only a small minority of the population thinks I'm sexy.)
There are many worse examples of this in the first couple of seasons than the theme song, but regardless, the song can hardly be described as cool, hip or sexy. It feels very inhibited and stuffy, even more so because it is trying not to be, which is true of the show as a whole, despite the producers' efforts to the contrary. If anything, the song feels more old-fashioned than the classical themes of the other TNG-era shows, which aren't hip in the slightest of course, but at least have a sort of timeless feel (speaking specifically of the theme music).
Like it or not, Abrams Trek did a much better job of doing what ENT was attempting to do as far as presenting a hipper, less inhibited Trek is concerned.
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