It will be Ultimate Star Trek. That's how I'm going to approach it. And, you know, just enjoy the ride.
Alternate timeline = Not the same Kirk, Spock, et al.??
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^^ Yeah -- but I'll be pissed if she's played by Samuel L. Jackson.
^^ Yeah -- but I'll be pissed if she's played by Samuel L. Jackson.
That would be good...
...for some strange reason I always had a "man-crush" on the character of Kevin Riley (by the way, I'm a card-carrying HETEROsexual
-- not that there's anything wrong with people who aren't). But something about Kevin Riley always made him very "likable" sort of guy in my eyes.Maybe it was his "everyman" personality, or maybe it was his singing ability, but he seems like the kind of guy that I'd be buddies with if I were on the Enterprise (I suppose he reminds me of me.)
Eh, I was being sarcastic. I think Maguire's overrated and he doesn't really strike me as a normal, I-wanna-hang-out-with-him-kinda guy. If they really wanted to stunt-cast Kevin Riley, I think they could do better. I actually kinda think Jaime Kennedy or a similar young(ish) comedian would be pretty good. He was always a good character, and it was a shame they didn't use him more often. Wasn't he supposed to have become Admiral Kirk's adjutant or something later on?
But I don't mean to sound so convicting of your opinion, I do indeed see what you're saying. I just don't really like Maguire. Didn't like him as Spidey. Only really liked him in 'The Ice Storm' and 'The Cider House Rules.'
Just wait til you see Robert Downey Jr.'s Zefram Cochrane.
But I don't mean to sound so convicting of your opinion, I do indeed see what you're saying. I just don't really like Maguire. Didn't like him as Spidey. Only really liked him in 'The Ice Storm' and 'The Cider House Rules.'
Just wait til you see Robert Downey Jr.'s Zefram Cochrane.
Well, I was commenting more on the idea of Kevin Riley as a character in this (or the next) film, rather than Tobey Maguire as Riley -- although I have nothing specific against Maguire; I can take him or leave him. I'm sure there are other actors who could play a good Kevin Riley.
EEWWWWW......
EGO-SEX...! (Having sex with oneself)
That's even WORSE than HETERO- or GAY-SEX!!!
<snicker>
(never gonna make the Admiralty at this rate)
Hey -- if you can't love yourself, then who can you love (and I mean the "emotion", not the "act")
How about Jason O'Mara (Life on Mars) as Riley? He *is* Irish, after all.
He's also the guy who cheated to win the Kobyashi Maru scenerio. Had numerous affairs with several women and sired a child with one of them. He's well know for disobeying orders, especially where his friends are concerned.
Kirk was Lieutenant and instructor when called a " 'stack of books with legs'. Not exactly a youth.
His living "God status" seems to wear thin in episodes like "Court Martial" where he's treated like a pariah.
That was only because people thought he killed Ben Finney.
You'd think a "living God" would get a pass. Living god vs dead washed up loser.
TIMOTHY:"Bummer about Ben. Can I buy you a drink, Jim and bask in your glory?"
MIKE:"Jim let me!!!"
HELLER: "I saw him first!!!"
Good analogy.
I don't like Marvel's Ultimates line, either, for the same reason. No real interest in alternate timelines.
What's funny is that I find it more interesting due to the convoluted, tired nature of the mainstream Marvel universe. I can't bother with X-Men anymore, but I'm all about Ultimate X-Men. I like the more streamlined approach, but Trek *is* a different beast. I guess we'll see how it goes, but I'm not going to get too caught up in the canon politics if it indeed winds up being a reboot / alternate universe / whatever. As long as we still get Titan and Vanguard books, I'll be happy (yes, I'm one of those TrekLit fans).
If JJ could pull that off, I'll happily turn a 180 and burn all my "old skool" junk.
If...
I am contradicting myself, but I think I've slowly digested the idea of all these changes being good for Trek in general. TOS was wonderful and there is no reason why this movie cannot be so also. It will no doubt be imperfect, but so was TOS. The characters will change from the recasting and the spin JJ puts on it but we can't have that which occurred decades ago. I expect to enjoy the new film and after several minutes of readjustment I think that I will welcome a newer feeling Trek back onto the screen. Rebooting with changed histories for the characters, new futures for them too, a new, young attractive cast, updated sets ships and technology probably was a good idea afterall and I salute the writers. If we can't back what was, take what was right about the original and give it a new future. The characters WILL change because of necessary recasting, but different is not always bad. I'm ready to accept and looking forward to May.
I'm going to be disappointed either direction, which is why I think the film makers have made a major error with the direction they have chosen for the film. Using the reset button is a poor gimmicky plot device and not doing it, disappoints me as a fan. This movie screws me either way. There will probably be some changes, major and minor that remain and some that do not. Just a cop out to me though. They just should have done a complete reboot and avoided time and alternate universes from the beginning.
According to the writers themselves, it was the fact that no one had told the story of the origins of TOS characters that sparked them to do this film. It's beginning to look like perhaps that story still hasn't been told--at least completely and clearly. How can we the viewer be seeing the true origins of our characters if the film spends a huge amount of time in an altered timeline? Sure, it's a question of degree, but mixing that which is altered, with that which isn't altered--and having an origins story we have never seen, making it difficult to differentiate (except with facts already known)--just creates one big muck and to me not very filling. Abrams and company have made an origins movie that doesn't even tell the true story of the origins of the characters we love and the movie is a disappointment to me from step one.
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^^Exactly --
If the rumors are to be believed about this being an alternate timeline that will move forward, then we would be seeing the origins of these alternate timeline characters, not the origins of the TOS characters.
However, even though I would be disappoited that we still wouldn't have a TOS origin film, that will not prevent me from possibly enjoying this film for what it is.
^^Exactly --
If the rumors are to be believed about this being an alternate timeline that will move forward, then we would be seeing the origins of these alternate timeline characters, not the origins of the TOS characters.
However, even though I would be disappoited that we still wouldn't have a TOS origin film, that will not prevent me from possibly enjoying this film for what it is.
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