Alternate Timeline! (a.k.a. Everyone can chill out now!)
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I still don't get why Spock would want to get involved at all, let alone create a new universe.
The less said about Enterprise, though, the better.
I was thinking about the title of this thread. "chill out", and then 5 pages of tweaking out like first time ravers in a candy store.
I'm closer to average room temperature and getting progressively nippier if that says anything. I still have my problems and doubts, but if we can blame just about everything on an altered timeline then that makes the dumber shit marginally easier to swallow.
QFT. I may not agree with Captain X on somethings, but really were still in the same place we were before all this AT talk started....
It is rather confusing, isn't it?
So it's now been said that the new movie is not going to fuck with the established time line. Preserving all previous Trek lore. Yet now people are bitching about that, because TPTB don't have the balls to fuck with the established time line...whatever.
How's this for a solution: Why don't we all just wait and see? Yeah, not gonna happen but its worth a try.
Sharr
Sharr
We're Trekkers.
Legally we can't do that.
Legally we can't do that.
Actually the Batman 60's tv series was pretty much telling the same style story as the 60's batman comics which had strayed from their darker due to flagging sales and the success of the TV show.
"New Look" Batman and camp
By 1964, sales on Batman titles had fallen drastically. Bob Kane noted that, as a result, DC was "planning to kill Batman off altogether."[32] In response to this, editor Julius Schwartz was assigned to the Batman titles. He presided over drastic changes, beginning with 1964's Detective Comics #327 (May 1964), which was cover-billed as the "New Look". Schwartz introduced changes designed to make Batman more contemporary, and to return him to more detective-oriented stories. He brought in artist Carmine Infantino to help overhaul the character. The Batmobile was redesigned, and Batman's costume was modified to incorporate a yellow ellipse behind the bat-insignia. The space aliens and characters of the 1950s such as Batwoman, Ace, and Bat-Mite were retired. Batman's butler Alfred was killed off, and replaced with Aunt Harriet, who came to live with Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson.[33]
Batman #227 (Dec. 1970). An example of Batman's return to a Gothic atmosphere, in an homage to the cover of 1939's Detective Comics #31.[34] Art by Neal Adams.
The debut of the Batman television series in 1966 had a profound influence on the character. The success of the series increased sales throughout the comic book industry, and Batman reached a circulation of close to 900,000 copies.[35] Elements such as the character of Batgirl and the show's campy nature were introduced into the comics; the series also initiated the return of Alfred. Although both the comics and TV show were successful for a time, the camp approach eventually wore thin and the show was canceled in 1968. In the aftermath, the Batman comics themselves lost popularity once again. As Julius Schwartz noted, "When the television show was a success, I was asked to be campy, and of course when the show faded, so did the comic books."[36]
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I think that's kind of a cop out. It's attempting to keep parts of the orginal series but restart others, which really means NOBODY will be happy becuase they're trying to appeal to EVERYONE - fans who want to see Trek continue directly, those who want to see it remade, and those who have no clue what Trek is at all.
Its not a 'cop out' if it proves to be a successful and entertaining film... which the buzz seems to support.
Sharr
Captain X
Rear Admiral
Well, there are a couple things to that, but the one that still has everyone upset is that even if we say this is "just" an AU, we still don't get any continuation of "old" Star Trek. Some of us would still like to see that, so the thought of "old Star Trek being at an end is upsetting to us, hence why we say so. The other thing was the rather condescending remark about still having our DVDs. Saying something like that is just as pointless and insulting as saying "it's just a show", because everyone already knows that.
It's a double-edged sword because I'd rather not have a reboot, period, but if they're going to do it they just might as well go all the way and do it like RDM did with BSG - no time travel story, no AU, just jump right into it. In the end you still have a "new" *snerk* version of Star Trek, so why waste a movie on getting there when the fans who don't want a reboot are going to bitch anyway?Yet now people are bitching about that, because TPTB don't have the balls to fuck with the established time line...whatever.
So, to use a few other fictional properties as examples, the tv/movie setting up to this point is becoming the Generation 1, or Universal Century, of Trek?
Fine - and in my case, I've been following the 29-years-and-counting alternate timeline offered by the SFU (well, not for quite as long as that, of course) anyway.
And note - in the fictional properties where the terms 'G1' and 'UC' are used, neither setting has been usurped by the new timelines/settings which have emerged afterwards.
Fine - and in my case, I've been following the 29-years-and-counting alternate timeline offered by the SFU (well, not for quite as long as that, of course) anyway.
And note - in the fictional properties where the terms 'G1' and 'UC' are used, neither setting has been usurped by the new timelines/settings which have emerged afterwards.
They often do not behave like they already know it as they react with a religious fervor if something looks amiss in their eyes. Sometimes the fervent NEED to be reminded that its just a tv show, and that just because a new take on something comes along it doesn't wipe out what went before - unless you think of it as a real universe that is.
Sharr
I can understand and sympathize with this point. But one of the nice things about this movie being set in an AU is that the original time line is not altered in any way. Old Trek is still there and plugging along waiting for somebody else to come along and continue it's story. This is why his DVD comment is not insulting at all. He's saying if the new movie isn't your cup of tea your DVD's are still there. Watch those until some new Trek comes along that is to your liking.
Well, there's no point in throwing everything out. Some of TOS is awesome. Other parts need to be updated.
So they're doing what they'd have to do anyway.
And btw, they'd need to do that for a TNG era show too.
It's my opinion thay a certain segment of the fanbase WOULD bitch no matter WHAT movie they decided to make.
So why not run for glory? Take a chance on something awesome? No reason to be timid about it.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Eh.....then what the hell is the point of the movie?? Why are people excited about this when it sounds like a two parter tv episode (which none of the 10 trek movies are like, they are movies)?? Why not just make a Star Trek movie with a completely new cast instead screwing around with one that had a perfect ending (Star Trek 6 and Kirk in Star Trek Generations)? Or do another one or two TNG films (they deserve a better ending, if it was not for TNG, there would be only the original series and movies)? or do a DS9 movie?
It won't be theoretical anymore when its becomes the new venue that current producers will be playing in now will it? It'll be its own mainline universe.
Almost all and especially TNG films were nothing more then two part episode this one surely doesn't look that way, it feels epic to say the least.
Cause maybe the story is just that intriguing to those producing it. There need not be any reason beyond that.
I know this film got Nimoy out of retirement to put on the ears once more more - good enough for me.
Sharr
Yeah, in the end it boils down to people whining, one way or the other.
- There are those that are whining because Trek is being made, and it's not by them.
There are those that are whining because Trek is being made, and it's not the same, tired, static four-camera universe they're used to seeing.
There are those that are whining because Trek is being made, and they didn't pull out all the old actors from TOS to make them feel warm and fuzzy and nostalgic.
There are those that are whining because Trek is being made, and it looks young, fresh, exciting, and far too appealing to the external crowd they've been hiding from their entire life.
There are those that are whining because close-minded, fanatical Trekkies won't let it go and just try to enjoy it for what it is.
There are those that are whining because Trek is being made, and it's not up to their personal levels of percieved superiority.
There are those that are whining because they're bitter, insecure, and need the attention.
There are those that are whining because they would hate anything made, no matter what, for various reasons.
There are those that are whining because they've been spoiled into thinking Star Trek is "mine", and they're facing a reality where it is for everyone.
There are those that are whining because they feel these new producer/creators haven't paid homage and given thanks at the 'Altar of Rodenberry'.
There are those that are whining because deep down they realize this movie is going to rock, and it pisses them off because they want it to fail so they can look superior in the eyes of digital strangers.
There are those that are whining because Orci & Co. actually gave legitimate reasons how "their" Trek is still safe, and now they have to backpedal into a new gripe so as to remain loud and relevant.
There are those that are whining because others aren't automatically falling down and praising the new movie, as if the Second Coming of Gene.
There are those that are whining because they feel these "liberal" fans that are accepting of the new movie are "betraying" fandom, Trek, etc.
There are those that are whining because they feel others are belittling their opinions and desires to jump on the bandwagon of the new flick.
There are those that are whining because they're still nerds fighting against the bullies that picked on them in school, and don't understand the difference between a joke and a condescension.
There are those that are whining because they take Star Trek far, far, far too seriously.
There are those that are whining because they are tired of being told that they take Star Trek far, far, far too seriously.
There are those that are whining because Trek didn't continue the adventures of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, or some brand new 25th century saga.
There are those that are whining because they aren't making it a full-on, completely wipe the slate clean reboot.
There are those that are whining because, in their personal rationale of some kind of 'order' to it all, Alternate Universes "don't count".
There are those that are whining because they don't understand the perceieved line of what does, and does not, "count" when it comes to a fictional sci-fi show.
There are those that are whining because they feel other fans are laughing at them.
There are those that are whining because other fans ARE laughing at them.
There are those that are whining because no one is paying enough attention to them TO laugh at them.
There are those that are whining because everyone else is whining.
There are those that are whining because it is Star Trek.
There are those that are whining because, to them, it is NOT Star Trek.
