Worf was suffering from a mutated strain of the Klingon augment virus all the time!!!
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Worf was suffering from a mutated strain of the Klingon augment virus all the time!!!
Captain X
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Yes, because minor changes in makeup over seven years equates to the major change in how a ship appears inside and out, the age of the characters, and where they are in their career.
1. When I was talikng about not needing to explain every little inconsistency with an "in-universe" explanation, I was only talking about minor things such as the inconsistent look of Klingons over the years -- I don't know how you can connect that argument with all of those other items.
2. The ship looks different because this film is being made in 2008. There is no in-universe explanation required there either. I'm perfectly OK with updating the aesthetics without needing to explain it on-screen. I have an imagination; if this film tells me it's the same ship, then I can imagine it being the same ship. I would have rather the bridge architecture look more like the TOS bridge (in a basic sort of way), but what I want doesn't really matter that much (except, of course, I want a good movie...that matters.)
3. The ages seem pretty close to me. Chris Pine is about 2 or 3 years younger than his character, and that's close enough. I can imagine him being the right age. Quinto is the perfect age. Urban is actually closer to the age McCoy was supposed to be than De Kelley was (TOS never outright said McCoy's age, but TNG and hints from TOS set McCoy's age to be about 6 to 8 years more than Kirk). Pegg's age is perfect. Zoe Saldana is about the same age as Nichelle Nichols was at the start of TOS. John Cho is a bit old, but he looks young. Yelchin's age is perfect.
4. The question as to are they where they should be career-wise is an interesting one. I'm not sure how this will all work out, but I'm willing to wait and see the film to decide whether or not this aspect of Abrams'/Orci's/Kurtzman's story makes sense.
Captain X
Rear Admiral
Because you're trying to connect the change in Worf's appearance as being fine with the change in, well, everything being ok just because of when the movie is being produced. I've noticed that there are no degrees with apologists.
No, it looks different because JJ Abrams thought it would be cool to redesign the ship to look like crap instead of staying true to form and updating where necessary in order to modernize and more more believable. Instead he went for a pulp '50s look. Yet I've noticed all you bitching about how the '60s are dated somehow even though no one I've seen here has been arguing for a return to the plastic and plywood look of the '60s.
Yes, it's so much easier to suspend disbelief when no effort is given to explain why something would be radically different from what's supposed to be the same thing.
That just means you can suspend your disbelief much more easily than people who are complaining. Oh, and styling the ship after cars of the '50s and movie sets from the '70s isn't updating the design.
And for people who actually care that's part of what goes into making it "good".
He looks 12.
And I can imagine Wesley Crusher as a moody teenager with discipline problems and authority issues being given command of the Enterprise because a couple people like him for whatever reason.
He's ok, but I would've went with Adrian Brody, personally.
He's ok, too, but I would've gone with someone else whose name I can't think of off hand.
Same issue as with McCoy, but casting isn't a huge deal with the exception of Pine as Kirk.
Except he looks 12, too.
Having a cadet with discipline problems who isn't even done with the Academy yet end up in command of a large ship with a large crew doesn't make much sense, let along the jump in 6 grades that goes along with it.
Canon schmanon.......
Temporal Mechanics Schemporal Mechshamics........
I'm going opening weekend anyone wanna come with?
Temporal Mechanics Schemporal Mechshamics........
I'm going opening weekend anyone wanna come with?
I think "Star Trek IV" is the worst possible example to cite when debating alternate timelines.
Unless there are some details I've forgotten, nothing was shown being changed or different in that movie. The whole thing could very well be a predestination paradox, or causality loop, as Scotty himself pointed out to McCoy. Who's to say there's an alternate timeline where Gillian and the whales did NOT disappear aboard a Klingon ship? Who's to say the formula for transparent aluminum DIDN'T originate from a time-traveling engineer all along?
There's just no evidence one way or another that everything in that movie wasn't "meant to be" or predestined.
I think a better example of creating an alternate timeline is Voyager's "Endgame," where major, obvious changes were made to the past, and those changes persisted into "Star Trek: Nemesis."
I disagree. "Star Trek: First Contact" started with Picard and crew from the 24th century going back in time to fix the past. The movie ended in 2063, with Cochrane meeting the Vulcans. We DO know what came after the end of that movie: all of "Enterprise," TOS, and all the other series and movies.
From the plot rumors, I think "Star Trek XI" will follow the exact same premise as "First Contact" -- Spock from the 24th century will go back to the past to fix the timeline, and then he will leave and go back to the 24th century, just like Picard did. There is no difference at all, except "Star Trek XI" will end in 2263 instead of 2063. Aside from two centuries, both movies involve changing/fixing the past, and both end before TOS.
This is my feeling almost exactly. Time travel is an idea that has great possibilities, but in the past decade or so, it's been used mostly as a crutch - by both the producers and the fans - so that lax research or lazy storytelling can be excused. If they're going to do it, they should commit to a "no alternative timeline" concept, make the changes, and stick with them. Turning every story into a bottle so they don't have to address its unique issues is a cop-out, by now.
How many threads do we have to read this in? I wasn't even subscribed to this thread, and I know I've gotten this post in e-mails already, from at least two others ...
Although it's Orci's intention that all events prior to the events of this film remain unchanged in the new continuity (the Eugenics War, Cochrane and so forth), once it's been posited that this is not the same "universe" as previous Trek a later writer could decide that there were divergences in the time lines previous to this story as well. 
How are they abandoning what Star Trek has been for many years ? Seriously...
They have repeatedly said they admire Trek and its characters and want to preserve the spirit of Trek and even when Orci talks about the alternate timeline thing he clearly states :
"It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different.
Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon.
Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move."
I know how you feel. Just like you, I love Star Trek (although not TOS, but TNG). And for me, the only one who can be Captain Picard is Patrick Stewart while Data is Brent Spiner.
But, we must understand that the old casts are not fit to attract new fans anymore, nor the old concept still has novelty that attract people. In order for Star Trek to survive, they must create something new that still has novelty in it. So, as bad as we expected it, everything must changed!!!
You see, Batman begin is different than any other Batman that we have seen before. But it still batman, and it's attract a lot of new fans that hate the previous batman.
So, I expected that this new Star Trek will be a kind of batman begin for Star Trek. It's not Shatner Star Trek, but it's Star Trek TOS.
If the Abrams ST does become a new quantum reality, look on the bright side. It means that if they wanted to, they could reboot Khan and other characters from the original ST run of the past 40+ years. -- RR
Don't forget Saavik becoming a completely different person. Or all those different characters from different species having the exact same look and voice as Jeffrey Combs, Vaughn Armstrong, etc.
I believe four is the magic number -- three here and one in TTNI. If you find that there are now more, some editing may be in order.How many threads do we have to read this in? I wasn't even subscribed to this thread, and I know I've gotten this post in e-mails already, from at least two others ...
Yes but the difference here is that in all previous iterations of time travel, everything was "back to normal" at the end.
In this iteration, it seems that the drastic changes will continue
There's no evidence of that. The sum total of what we know about Trek XI probably happens in the first hour, if not the first HALF hour. We have no idea how it will ultimately resolve itself. For all we know, it could really BE back to normal. We will just have to wait.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted here, I'm the same.
I was just trying to help people visualise it- there is a solution if you need one.
I have....you?
