Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

[Tuskin38]

So why is she seemingly throwing him under the bus?

She didn't.

So, instead of honoring Carrie Fisher by saying that the "lows" of her tenure was having to work around her sad and unexpected loss, she takes care to note one more time, in the middle of a fawning interview, that the low point of her job was the fans that were mean to her, even though there's only a "very, very small" number of them anyway.

You love making something out of nothing.
The question was about running the company, not making a film.

 

[JD]

And yet Wise Master Hamill thinks there was a place in there for a 30 second scene. And was terribly offended when he was denied this most reasonable and simple of requests.



You have a planet killer and a desert planet (which, incredibly, he manages to make VERY different from Tatooine).

AND?

As for assumptions about the prequels: I for one heard the line "A young student named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights" OBVIOUSLY meant "He cut up a bunch of four year olds with a lightsaber while a clone army took on the grown ups. THAT lightsaber, as a matter of fact."

I know we didn't see it, but I think it's pretty much guaranteed that he had to fight his way through quite a few adult Jedi as they were clearing out the temple. It's a pretty safe bet that there were at least a few hundred Jedi at the Temple at the time, so I'm pretty Anakin would have had to take out at least a few of them himself.

*pokes head into the thread*

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.

*promptly dips out*

Wrong franchise, no crossing the streams.

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Then there's this:

DEADLINE: What have been the highs and lows or running a company built on such beloved IP?​

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KENNEDY: The lows are that you’ve got a very, very small percentage of the fan base that has enormous expectations and basically they want to continue to see pretty much the same thing. And if you’re not going to do that, then you know going in that you’re going to disappoint them. I’m not sure there’s anything you can do about that, because you can’t please everybody.​

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So, instead of honoring Carrie Fisher by saying that the "lows" of her tenure was having to work around her sad and unexpected loss, she takes care to note one more time, in the middle of a fawning interview, that the low point of her job was the fans that were mean to her, even though there's only a "very, very small" number of them anyway.

Gee, one can't imagine why some fans don't seem to like her very much. It must be her lack of a Y chromosome. Couldn't be anything else, to any degree.

This was about her whole tenure as the head of Lucasfilm, not just producing The Rise of Skywalker, and with the kind of carrier she's had, I'm sure she's dealt with that kind of issue before, so I can see where it wouldn't have had that big of an impact on her overall time in that job.

 

[thribs]

Let’s hope this news means they can finally bring back the EU novels.

 

[Set Harth]

I know we didn't see it, but I think it's pretty much guaranteed that he had to fight his way through quite a few adult Jedi as they were clearing out the temple.

In fact, we see him at the front of the troops as they march on the temple. I'm not saying anyone has to take the novelization's word for it, but that alone implies something.

 

[Reverend]

I agree, but I honestly feel like that is more due to Kennedy seeing what Lucas went through with the Prequels, and trying to give a lot more latitude to creatives. But, that's pure speculation.

I'd be hesitant to attribute that level of narrative dictates to Kennedy alone. I always felt like it was Disney that seemed to be the source of "make it all like and/or centered around the originals!" vibe that ran through most of the early Disney era projects. Basically everything prior to the TCW revival and the High Republic, honestly.
The head of the studio's job isn't really to decide the overall creative direction in that way; and EP is mostly there to guide the storytellers through the business part of show business, and try to facilitate more than dictate. She would have input sure, but I've never once heard about her making pitches to herself.

It's just great little moments like that that make the OT stand out greatly. The ST and PT lack that.

I will say that in the case of the PT, that is mostly intentional and very necessarily baked into the type of story being told. It's not a story of a heroic group of friends coming together to defeat evil, it's the tragedy of a good person that became that evil that a heroic group of friends would later come together to defeat.

The nature of the main character dynamic was very narrowly focused by design, since it all pivots around Anakin's relationship to both Obi-Wan and Padme, and his inability to let go of attachment (which despite what so many people say, was indeed very present in the OT, or did everyone not pay any attention to the third act of tESB?) Another factor is they really only had two movies to do it, since the first of the trilogy was essentially a prologue.

In the case of the ST, it's not for lack of trying, and there is some very solid chemistry, but it feels forced at times. The original movie actors were cast specifically because of their chemistry; there's a reason Lucas did group auditions. Had one of those three turned down and backed out at that stage, it's likely that neither of the other two would have been hired, and Lucas would have instead selected a whole other trio.

What is the repetition? The biggest (and least forgivable) repetition is the damn planet killer. Which is almost tangential to the plot.

No you're right, there's absolutely nothing repetitious about a white bathrobe wearing nobody on a desert backwater dreaming of adventure in the wider galaxy, getting whisked into an adventure after meeting a wayward robot carrying information vital to the only insurgency group out there fighting the evil space fascists, led by a temperamental masked and cloaked black knight and his legions of faceless, white armored soldiers. And it's not like said nobody blasts their way off their backwater in a junk-heap pirate ship, meets an old pirate and his Wookiee co-pilot and goes to a weird alien bar (though not necessarily in that order), before going to a mechanized planet killing super-weapon, staging a jail break, and witnessing a mentor figure cut down with a laser sword . . . Oh wait . . .

We never see Darth Vader take out a single adult Jedi in Revenge of the Sith, do we?

Why would we expect that? Literally the only thing we hear about Vader killing a specific Jedi involved betrayal and murder, not godlike combat abilities (and even that turned out to be a mostly metaphorical account of his self-betrayal.)
As for the Jedi as a whole; again the only thing we're told is that he helped a massive military force hunt down and destroy them. I don't recall any mention in the OT of him going out and personally challenging each and every straggler to a duel.

He's seen striking down Cin Drallig in the Jedi Temple security recordings.

And in a deleted scene (the one that's actually considered canon) he also sneaks up on Shaak-tiand literally stabs her in the back. Very betrayal and murdery behavior if you ask me . . .

Yes. That's what we waited 20 years for: One guy. On security footage.

Sitting on false expectations you conjured up in your own imagination for 20 years is nobody's fault but your own.

Indeed, the way Lucas described how Vader started killing Jedi back before he'd decided to make him and Anakin the same person, mostly involved him luring them away and shanking them when they were unawares. It was only after Kenobi caught on to what he was up to that he confronted him and dumped his arse into a lava pit.

It was never meant to be anything other than a nasty and underhanded act.

 

[fireproof78]

Indeed, the way Lucas described how Vader started killing Jedi back before he'd decided to make him and Anakin the same person, mostly involved him luring them away and shanking them when they were unawares. It was only after Kenobi caught on to what he was up to that he confronted him and dumped his arse into a lava pit.

Better movie.

The nature of the main character dynamic was very narrowly focused by design, since it all pivots around Anakin's relationship to both Obi-Wan and Padme, and his inability to let go of attachment (which despite what so many people say, was indeed very present in the OT, or did everyone not pay any attention to the third act of tESB?) Another factor is they really only had two movies to do it, since the first of the trilogy was essentially a prologue.

I understand the narrative purpose but they never feel like a group. They're just three people who drift in and out without chemistry. It's unfortunate because it softens the "You were my brother..." scene because I don't really find them as brothers.

But, as you say, that's a me thing. I get Lucas' intent.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Let’s hope this news means they can finally bring back the EU novels.

You mean publish more novels? Sure, wouldn't bother me in the least. Eat 'em up!

 

[DigificWriter]

I really wish people would stop acting like Kathleen Kennedy hiring/rehiring people like JJ Abrams, Jon Favreau, and the Kasdans - people who hold the OT in high personal regard and were therefore inclined to focus their creative interests towards it and the in-universe era surrounding it - was somehow a 'mandate' from the 'big bad Disney boogeyman'.

 

[Tallguy]

No you're right, there's absolutely nothing repetitious about a white bathrobe wearing nobody on a desert backwater dreaming of adventure in the wider galaxy, getting whisked into an adventure after meeting a wayward robot carrying information vital to the only insurgency group out there fighting the evil space fascists, led by a temperamental masked and cloaked black knight and his legions of faceless, white armored soldiers. And it's not like said nobody blasts their way off their backwater in a junk-heap pirate ship, meets an old pirate and his Wookiee co-pilot and goes to a weird alien bar (though not necessarily in that order), before going to a mechanized planet killing super-weapon, staging a jail break, and witnessing a mentor figure cut down with a laser sword . . . Oh wait . . .

What Star Wars heroes AREN'T wearing bathrobes? And of the original six films how many had a desert planet?

Rey was NOT dreaming of adventure. She was adamantly staying put. Even after getting into space. Wait, WHO staged the jail break?

Black mask and stormtroopers... Because they're still the same bad guys, right? (The First Order is stupid, but it looks like the Empire for a reason.) Didn't the Skywalker kids in the EU put on black robes from time to time? (I quit reading after the Zahn books.)

Good grief, in the Phantom Menace we see a cranky figure in black robes with a weird voice. IT'S RIPPING OFF RETURN OF THE JEDI.

It IS you know, A STAR WARS film. It's just not "plagiarism" of Star Wars.

I LOVED in Star Wars when Luke STOLE the Millennium Falcon and flew off to meet Han Solo.

 

[Set Harth]

And of the original six films how many had a desert planet?

5.

Let’s hope this news means they can finally bring back the EU novels.

Bring them back from where?

 

[cooleddie74]

And Tatooine is MENTIONED by name in the sixth.