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Alita: Battle Angel (July 2018)

While they were a little off-putting at first, by the end of the second trailer I find they don't bother me nearly as much. I suspect that about 10-20 mins into the movie (assuming it's actually good), most people won't even notice anymore and just be invested in the character.

I had a very similar reaction the first time I watched Avatar. For the first 10-20 mins I couldn't get over how weird and unnatural the big-eyed blue cat people looked...but at a certain point I just got used to it and almost tricked my brain into just accepting the characters as actual people.

Of course it only works like that if the characters are well acted and the story is at least competently presented. So we'll see.
 
Well, it's finally just two weeks til the debut of "Alita: Battle Angel", premiering February 14, 2019.

Not counting the multiple delays to even get this film started (I recall that James Cameron had acquired the rights several years before before he made "Avatar"), the film has been pushed back twice now. Originally, it was slated for July 2018, but then it was delayed until December. Then December rolled around, it was pushed back, yet again, to February. But finally we are seeing television commercials, several versions, officially announcing a 2/14 release. No way they can back out of that this late in the game without creating major "booking" problems.

I am curious as to this two stage delay. Is it my imagination, or do Alita's eyes seem a tad smaller in these latest ads than they did in those teasers from a year ago? I know several members in this thread expressed "concern" about their proportions. Is it possible this "dismay" was a more widespread than the more expressive members of a few random message boards? Did enough "people on the street" say something to concern the creators, motivating them to "touch up" the footage, thus causing the delays? Could they have even achieved that within half a year? After all, that would have been a lot of material to change, given Alita is the title character. Or, did the two delays have nothing to do with "correcting" ocular proportions? Was it merely to find the best time to release the film, not having to complete with another potential "blockbuster"?

Regardless, the bloody thing is finally (nearly) here! I think I've waited around 15 years for this movie. An, ah, "acquaintance" upon a small, private forum suspects I'm building my expectations towards some monumental disappointment. Maybe. But I half jokingly rebutted, it can't be any worse than some of the awkward plot twists Yukito Kishiro himself presented in the follow-up manga "Last Order". Short of having Alita die, the earth blow up or the whole adventure turn out to be some "Wizard of Oz" type "it was all just a dream" or a normal little girl" cop-out, I seriously doubt I'll storm from the theater in a huff. ;)
 
Is it my imagination, or do Alita's eyes seem a tad smaller in these latest ads than they did in those teasers from a year ago? I know several members in this thread expressed "concern" about their proportions. Is it possible this "dismay" was a more widespread than the more expressive members of a few random message boards? Did enough "people on the street" say something to concern the creators, motivating them to "touch up" the footage, thus causing the delays? Could they have even achieved that within half a year? After all, that would have been a lot of material to change, given Alita is the title character. Or, did the two delays have nothing to do with "correcting" ocular proportions?

Well, I hope not, since I like her eyes that size. Anyway, most of the CG footage probably wasn't done yet when the teaser was released -- it rarely is, which is why most movies' teaser trailers focus on the first act and have little FX-heavy footage, though this is obviously an exception -- so I doubt the refinement of the character designs would've incurred as much of a delay as you're suggesting.

Still, I doubt the filmmakers would worry about the reactions of a few people online, any more than the coach of a sports team will change the plays based on booing from the audience. Besides, there's always advance complaining about everything, so nothing would ever get made if filmmakers worried about pre-release negativity. The only complaints that would garner changes would be those from the studio executives, the people who are paying for the thing and thus have the clout to make their opinions stick. Still, I'm sure Alita's look was approved by all the people with an actual say in the decision before the CGI was rendered.
 
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A visual Kishiro depicted several times within the manga, Alita (or "Gally" in the original Japanese) partially disassembled, usually for repairs or upgrades. One of the more bizarrely "quaint" scenes with this motif involved Alita getting a "tune-up" for the "Motor-Ball" rally. Suspended from overhead cables, all that is left intact is Alita's head and torso (a bit like here), as her pit crew work upon her limbs. But she is not under duress. Rather, she casually leans her head to get a better view, as though it were nothing more than examining the engine of a car. Just the relaxed atmosphere makes the scene freakishly, well, "cute"!

Since the movie will depict her "Motor-Ball" stint, I wonder if they will recreate that sequence?

If this looks oddly familiar, well, "Star Trek: First Contact" depicted the head and shoulder of the Borg "Queen" lowered into a waiting torso and limbs. I wonder if someone on the production read the Alita mangas and was inspired? Then again, it was possibly just coincidence.
 
James Cameron? Check.
Mahershala Ali? Check.
Ninja Assassin Cyborg woman thing? Check.

That's all I need to know, I'll be there opening night.
 
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This render depicts Alita's early days as a bounty hunter wearing her first of several distinctive outfits. This was how I was introduced to the character so I've long held a certain nostalgia for it above the rest. The manga reveals her "berserker" chassis can generate a "plasma" around her fingertips which helps to even the odds facing off much larger opponents.

Oh, the base figure is Aiko 3, a digital mesh one can get at DAZ. The "berserker" body texture was created by Lokai2000 who was kind enough to share it with me more than a decade ago. Because it was a layered .PSD file, I was able to create a relatively "clean" displacement map which gives the armor the illusion of thickness. The jumpsuit, kneecap plates, boots, leg wrapping, etc. came from various A# "clothing" products, which I combined to create her outfit.
 
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A visual Kishiro depicted several times within the manga, Alita (or "Gally" in the original Japanese) partially disassembled, usually for repairs or upgrades. One of the more bizarrely "quaint" scenes with this motif involved Alita getting a "tune-up" for the "Motor-Ball" rally. Suspended from overhead cables, all that is left intact is Alita's head and torso (a bit like here), as her pit crew work upon her limbs. But she is not under duress. Rather, she casually leans her head to get a better view, as though it were nothing more than examining the engine of a car. Just the relaxed atmosphere makes the scene freakishly, well, "cute"!

Since the movie will depict her "Motor-Ball" stint, I wonder if they will recreate that sequence?

If this looks oddly familiar, well, "Star Trek: First Contact" depicted the head and shoulder of the Borg "Queen" lowered into a waiting torso and limbs. I wonder if someone on the production read the Alita mangas and was inspired? Then again, it was possibly just coincidence.
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Well, now we know who, and where the "Borg Queen" in "Star Trek: First Contact" came from. ;)
 
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Well, now we know who, and where the "Borg Queen" in "Star Trek: First Contact" came from. ;)

Not quite. The Borg Queen visual was just the head, shoulders, and spinal column lowered into a mechanical torso to which the limbs were tacked on.

Also, aren't there similar images in the RoboCop movies? It's pretty natural for people telling visual stories about cyborgs/androids to want to depict them in pieces to underline their inorganic nature. People are far too quick to mistake parallel evolution for direct imitation.
 
I'm little perplexed why they made this choice with the eyes. I mean, in the manga no one says that she has strange eyes. She has perfectly "normal" manga eyes. There was a character that even didn't realize she was a cyborg!
 
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I'm little perplexed why they made this choice with the eyes. I mean, in the manga no one says that she has strange eyes. She has perfectly "normal" manga eyes. There was a character that even didn't realize she was a cyborg!

Probably Rodriguez or Cameron or both wanted to capture the trademark look of the manga character, and also to experiment with pushing performance-capture animation forward to depict a (mostly) realistic human character as opposed to an ape or alien, but knew they wouldn't have the time or money to do it with every character.
 
Surprised no one has commented on this. Went and saw it this evening.

Good performances, especially from Rosa Salazar in the title role who manages to keep some kind of emotional core despite the CGI, well supported by the always magnificent Christopher Waltz.

Alita’s CGI was convincing and well executed.

Beyond that, I’m struggling to find positives. The script felt like a series of short stories rather than a coherent piece and I found myself losing interest altogether after the halfway point. No real clear objective and antagonist until very late didn’t help. I overheard one fellow viewer saying on her way out:

We just wasted 2 hours watching a teenage girl fall in love

...and she was kind of spot on. I wasn’t sure what the point was and found the ending ambiguous, unsatisfying and too heavily focussed on a hope for sequel.

Some of the larger cityscape and CGI shots felt distinctly unfinished and in one case, jarring in it’s blurry low resolution render.

Shame, as I was hoping for something fresh and different.
 
It was cool looking...but yeah, the story seemed super sloppy.


Like ALita trying to rally the Hunter Killers -- umm, she like just got her license 3 minutes ago. Why would ANY of them pay her any mind?

I missed exactly the connection between the Doctor , his daughter and Alita (other than Alita reminding him of the daughter).

The outer space action -- so Alita got collected onto the remaining sky-city? And then dumped when it landed? ANd somehow it all kept her brain alive, and in the state of a teenager, for 300 years?????

And I am confused … were all the other Cyborgs, even the ones with just the humanoid face, all basically humans? If so - that's a whole lot of death...

Decent movie...wife wanted to see it for Valentine's day...but this should have been a Redbox choice...and NOT for my children (too violent for my girls).

But good acting...
 
I saw it last Wednesday... sums up that I've already half forgotten it. I wasn't even gonna bother but I was won over by fans saying "oh you have to see it on the big screen" etc and how good it was... yeah, I should have listened to my gut.
What a mess. I'll admit I know nothing about the manga... and after seeing the film I can't say I know much more. What the hell was that all about? That ending... some old guy in dodgy glasses looking down... setting up a sequel? I could just sense in the audience no one cared. All the characters were beyond bland and cheesy... the actors all felt like they were sleepwalking through it... ha I can barely form full sentences to talk about it :lol:

I will say Alita herself looked fantastic (and is it weird if I say really hot?) In fact frankly I spent most of the movie admiring the effects of her because nothing else was interesting me whatsoever. I don't think I've ever checked my watch so often during a film.
 
I will say Alita herself looked fantastic (and is it weird if I say really hot?)

Not at all. It's natural to find big eyes appealing, because we tend to focus the most on other people's eyes, and because when people look at us with wide eyes or dilated pupils, it means they're interested in us and that feels good. That's part of the reason cartoon caricatures like the manga/anime style -- or the Disney style that originally inspired it -- have big eyes as a standard feature. Caricature is about emphasizing the features we find most important in a person or thing, and cartoon caricatures tend to resonate with how the brain maps human faces, ascribing more weight to the distinctive features and simplifying the rest.

Honestly, I'm surprised that so many people say they find Alita's eyes creepy. I think they're gorgeous, and when I saw the trailers, I reflexively smiled every time she appeared.
 
I saw it opening day, just because the opportunity came up and the times at the theater lined up perfectly. I'm not familiar with the source material (manga/anime) although I'm a fan of these sorts of things- went in with a 'blank slate' on the mythology and an open mind.

Bottom line- it was a fun two hours and I really enjoyed it. Not overly cerebral, but it didn't have to be. It was an action film, essentially, involving cyborg and robot technology. Treat this as popcorn-munching entertainment and you'll enjoy it. No deep explorations of the human psyche or ground breaking story elements- just some eye watering fight/chase/action scenes with a cookie-cutter plot and characters. You've seen this movie a million times- just not this way.

If you like that sort of thing, give it a try. If not, probably steer clear or wait for it to stream.
 
I saw it a week ago.

Sure, I had some issues with it, but overall, I enjoyed it and will more than likely be getting it on Blu when it comes out here.
 
Well, I loved it. I'd watch it again. I'd put it on in the background while cleaning or something. It was what I consider a successful anime/manga adaptation, on a list of like...no other movies I can think of. They put together the first main stories of the manga and the anime adaptation into a reasonably coherent film where all the little parts linked together in a satisfying way. The manga is obviously not presented this way and a lot of these stories are meant to be taken individually, and Chiren as a character doesn't even exist. But having already consumed all of that material a bunch of times for over two decades, I can say very, very honestly that I was GLUED to the screen. The film is gorgeous and the care they spent on capturing the exact feelings of wonder and angst of the source material was superb. Anyone who felt like, 'Ugh it's just two hours of a robot girl falling in love and being a teenager,' this is what it was meant to be. As a manga fan, this movie was nearly perfect.

Nearly, as in this is an American movie in the era of YA and they transplanted her love interest from some other, stupider, movie. I went in knowing that they would use Hugo's story as the glue that binds the other stories together, which is half-true for the manga itself, but this standard pretty-boy who is also slightly a bad-boy thing was a little painful to watch. If not for how gorgeously rendered Alita is, how perfect her design ended up, and how real her performance was, I might not have been able to stomach that love story. That was a real disappointment because he is basically written exactly as presented in the manga, except there he's like a...like a scrappy rascal, I guess. White-bread Hugo of the film was bland and contrived, and I wish they had kept the element of the story where Hugo wants to go to Zalem because his older brother dreamed of going there. Also, his final scene is supposed to be dripping with madness. I waited the whole movie for that scene and I was hoping he'd be much more frantic trying to escape because that scene in the anime changed little 12 year old me like literally forever. I would have them go for a less obviously movie-handsome boy, someone skinnier with grungier look that kind of needs protecting; That's how he comes off in the manga, that he will go do what he needs to do despite being shrimpy and, although Alita is there to protect him he never operates on the thought of being rescued. Basically, Hugo as presented was not enough of a street-rat for me. Oh, also in the manga and anime, Yugo and his friends are stealing spines lol.

But as far as adaptations go, this was a real winner. They kept all the important beats, made literally all of the primary, secondary, and tertiary characters identifiable to their comic counterparts, captured the iconic frames perfectly on film, and modified the original content in a way that could bring disparate story lines together into something (relatively) cohesive. I've gotten pretty saturated on live action characters that are presented completely differently from how they originated, so it was nice to hear names like Zapan and Gashugan and so forth and be like, "OMG THEY LOOK PERFECT". There was real love for the source material here; I was nerding out the whole time. I was not hot on them including Motorball in this movie at first, because Motorball is its own separate arc that could have been made into it's own movie. She joins the circuit to deal with the heartbreak after losing Yugo in the original, but the way they incorporated it actually worked really well as far as how movies need to be structured; and the Motorball scene was fucking cool.

I also wasn't a fan of how they shoved Dr. Nova into an already hugely bloated film (they even managed to shove in flashbacks to her time as a Martian, information that doesn't happen in the manga until WAY later). Dr. Nova is not crucial to the story, and peppering him in to prep him for a sequel was a mistake. I know they wanted to show some gravitas at the end by giving Alita conviction and determination to take down Dr. Nova for his part in killing Hugo, but I was already unsatisfied by how they handled Hugo in the first place. All that anger, in the manga, is focused on Zalem. I would have much rather the Dr. Nova screen time have been given to Hugo's backstory to make his ascent to Zalem more heartbreaking and save Dr. Nova to be the big bad in the next movie (which is how it happens in the manga basically). I'm kinda on the fence about seeing her flashbacks too, since they made sense for the movie and the information was accurate, but seemed like a lot of backstory and world building for what is, at its core, a teenage love story. I wouldn't have minded learning more about that stuff later on after we've fleshed out her character, but again, on the fence.

And my favorite thing is Alita herself. Rosa Salazar was the perfect person to play this role. This was full blown teen spirit, and directionally, I loved how she could switch back and forth from sweet and kind to cold and calculating. I was very surprised they managed to get her hot/cold personality to transfer to screen so well, because in the manga its like...cute one panel, death machine next...and they also do a lot of cute character deformations when she's not being a death machine. Salazar was 100% the perfect choice. One of the things people don't expect when they pick up Battle Angel is how much of a young person Alita is, filled with wonder and frustrations and love. This movie was like 20 years in the making for me, and I'm glad to say I wasn't disappointed. And her eyes were gorgeous.

7/10 as a film
9.5/10 as an adaptation
10/10 for teenage me that wondered if he, too, could ever fall in love again.

EDIT: Oh! I forgot to mention, there is this annoying part in the movie where Hugo called Alita 'Ally' and I almost squealed, because Alita's name in the original manga is Gally. The scene was only annoying because I was really annoyed with Hugo's face at that point, lol.
 
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What can I add that "Burning Hearts" has not already addressed?

I saw the movie last night and I left the theater (only after the lights were brightened) grinning like a Cheshire cat. I've waited 16 years for this movie (Cameron announced his plans in 2003) and after seeing what happened with "Ghost in the Shell", I dreaded what might happen with this property. But as someone elsewhere noted, this was obviously a "passion project" for James Cameron. He loves the original manga and its evident he wanted to keep it faithful to the source material. And he did. True, individual elements were shuffled to fit the narrative, but the "essence" of Kishiro's world remained surprisingly intact.

Yeah, more of Alita's past was revealed than was in the manga for many, many issues, but I reason they did that in case a sequel is never made. Then again, that seems at odds with the open ending that screams for a follow-up. And, as "Burning Hearts" noted, Hugo was just kinda' there. He didn't seem that impassioned about reaching Zhalem. It just kinda' felt like one wanting to move to a luxury apartment in New York. Even though they omitted the backstory about his brother, they could have depicted him as being sickened and disgusted by the poverty of Iron City. Maybe that was part of the problem. Scrap Iron City (at it was called in the manga) was a truly nasty, filth ridden shanty town, one step above a demilitarized zone. Iron City in the movie just didn't seem that bad. Maybe if they showed Hugo "snapping" upon hearing Ido discuss the impossibility of reaching it and showing him "driven over the edge" as he ascended the cable, it might have had greater impact. But that's a fairly minor quibble over an otherwise excellent movie.

I will definitely purchase the deluxe Blu-Ray when it is released! Ooh! Maybe it'll include the one shot anime as an "extra"!
 
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