Spoilers Alien Earth (2025 Hulu show)

[FPAlpha]

If you take away FTL travel, you trip over travel times in the original movies that depend on FTL travel. Unless we're supposed to think FTL travel was invented between 2120 and 2122?

I'm not saying the logic and physics of the Alien universe is watertight. I always assumed they have near FTL travel, i.e. maybe a year to Alpha Centauri ( so roughly 25% of lightspeed) with their tech, which would explain the years and decades they are underway and the cryopods.

 

[thribs]

Kirsh suffers from the same thing David did. They did say he’s an older model.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

If you take away FTL travel, you trip over travel times in the original movies that depend on FTL travel. Unless we're supposed to think FTL travel was invented between 2120 and 2122?

It trips over travel times in its own show.

 

[Set Harth]

I'm not saying the logic and physics of the Alien universe is watertight. I always assumed they have near FTL travel, i.e. maybe a year to Alpha Centauri ( so roughly 25% of lightspeed) with their tech, which would explain the years and decades they are underway and the cryopods.

To get to Alpha Centauri in a year, wouldn't you have to be traveling at 4 times lightspeed?

 

[Saul]

That sheep/eyeball creature is a dastardly fellow...

 

[Set Harth]

To play devil's advocate I can kind of see why someone would think 'there's no FTL in Alien'. Because we never see a ship moving at any kind of warp or hyperspace in the movies! Every time we see a ship, it appears to be just floating along in normal space at the speed of like a Subaru.

 

[valkyrie013]

Kursh just looking at his I pad going.. Nothing wrong here.. situation normal..

Squidward is like.. everyone is getting out but me.. darn it!

Feels like a better episode than the past 2, but maybe just seems that way since i wasn't yelling at the TV or looking at my phone..

So there are 5 species specimens.. Xeno, Squidward, Florida Mosquitos, Panama Plant, and Dirt Doubers.. K

 

[Mage]

To play devil's advocate I can kind of see why someone would think 'there's no FTL in Alien'. Because we never see a ship moving at any kind of warp or hyperspace in the movies! Every time we see a ship, it appears to be just floating along in normal space at the speed of like a Subaru.

The opening shot of Prometheus has the ship zooming by quite fast. I think there was some near FTL/FTL stuff going on that didn't depend on warpon space in some form or another

 

[Char Kais]

To play devil's advocate I can kind of see why someone would think 'there's no FTL in Alien'. Because we never see a ship moving at any kind of warp or hyperspace in the movies! Every time we see a ship, it appears to be just floating along in normal space at the speed of like a Subaru.

The opening shot of Prometheus has the ship zooming by quite fast. I think there was some near FTL/FTL stuff going on that didn't depend on warpon space in some form or another

There has to be FTL travel, even in the 21st century.
The Alien franchise never laid out how interstellar travel worked, but the multi-decade-long journey of the Maginot is ridiculous.

The travel time of the Prometheus to LV-223 was two years.
In "Alien," Ripley expects to travel for six weeks in the rescue shuttle.

I think modern writers are confused because Ripley's actual travel time was over 50 years, and they take that as the normal time span for interstellar travel. But that travel time was accidental.

In "Aliens" the survivors expected a rescue mission in 17 days after being declared overdue. "Aliens" takes place 50+ years after the "Alien"/"Alien Earth" time frame, so they have better technology, but still, it's very fast.

 

[FPAlpha]

To get to Alpha Centauri in a year, wouldn't you have to be traveling at 4 times lightspeed?

Yeah, brainfart on my part but still works within the Alien universe, so 16 years at 25% LS. Let's be generous and give them 50% so it's 8 years travel time + time dilation and you see the need for cryopods and people willing to forego social bonds back on Earth or at leas limit them.

Then again i don't believe Cameron really cared about modern space travel physics that much when he made Alien and Aliens, they just wrote Truckers in Space basically.

 

[USS Firefly]

Squidward is like.. everyone is getting out but me.. darn it!

Well it was his fault that everyone could escape

 

[Gepard]

6 degrees my ass! That was prime stupidity on display but i guess the Alien franchise post Prometheus just decided that all scientists may be experts in their fields but otherwise have to lack basic common sense and intelligence.

This was the first episode to outright annoy me on that front. Obviously these characters need to make mistakes or else the show couldn't happen, but do they have to be so damn stupid about it?

It also annoys me that there's convenient equipment failures (the cell food door) right when and where the plot needed it to happen. Maybe we'll find out it was sabotage by e.g. Kirsh, but right now all we know is that stuff breaks because the writers need it to.

I kept mentally comparing it to Michael Crichton's treatment of scientists in over their heads; he was smart enough to write characters who could foresee problems and take reasonable precautions to get ahead of the issues. Their undoing was always unforeseen second-order effects from their own problem-solving, a much more satisfying approach than this.

 

[James Cole]

Not much to add, but my Teng theory is that one of the specimen species was effecting his behavior... I'm thinking the pitcher plant has some kind of mind flaying ability.

 

[Aragorn]

Show is still entertaining, but...... a lot of stupid had to happen to make some plots go forward in the last episode. Where's the security? The other scientists? They know that every synth besides Wendy is emotionally stunted and immature, shouldn't someone be keeping an eye on them or at least watching their eye cameras?

Also, what was the point of the memory erase if you find out five minutes later your memory has been erased? There could something said about a suit in power making a rash decision without thinking it through, but I don't think that's what the show is going for.

 

[FPAlpha]

Show is still entertaining, but...... a lot of stupid had to happen to make some plots go forward in the last episode. Where's the security? The other scientists? They know that every synth besides Wendy is emotionally stunted and immature, shouldn't someone be keeping an eye on them or at least watching their eye cameras?

Also, what was the point of the memory erase if you find out five minutes later your memory has been erased? There could something said about a suit in power making a rash decision without thinking it through, but I don't think that's what the show is going for.

Yeah, it kinda takes me out of shows and movies when i see such huge levels of stupidity.

I mean i expect some levels of it in everything i watch but when me, a non-scientist, starts thinking how lax those characters take security and safety and ignore basic protocols it just rubs me the wrong way. I mean ok, it's a child in a superhuman body but to be able to open a secure door without any alarm in any control room going off much less being able to work alone in a secure lab is beyond me ( and we are led to believe this is a purpose built lab complex so safety and security should have been priority in its design).

At a former workplace we had introduced a rule that no one is allowed to work alone in an office ( we usually have at least 2 person offices, most of the time much larger), especially after we're done for the day, because a colleague had suffered a collapse in his office when he was alone and wasn't found for at least an hour ( he made it fortunately).

So yeah. this was weak writing in this episode, no way around that.

 

[Set Harth]

Speaking of which, they need to lean in more on the capabilities the 'kids' got along with their new bodies. There's been a bit of that, such as that cliff jump Wendy/Marcy/Amelie did, but there should be more.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The elevator face-off between Kirsh and Morrow was more riveting than the meditation between Kavalier and Yutani (gods, Kavalier is such a dick and I can't wait for all of his monsters destroy him).

It also annoys me that there's convenient equipment failures (the cell food door) right when and where the plot needed it to happen. Maybe we'll find out it was sabotage by e.g. Kirsh, but right now all we know is that stuff breaks because the writers need it to.

Actually, my read on that moment is that some how the metal-eating bug's environment had indirectly corroded the door hinges (either deliberately or accidentally).

That said, Tootles was an idiot in his handling of that situation. I see that as a kid trying to prove is worth to Kirsh (as indicated by deliberately not bringing Curly along) and made an impulsive decision that cascaded quickly. Of course, eyeball octopus didn't help matters any.

 

[Aragorn]

He didn't even need to go inside. Just open the door, push the tray across the floor, close the door.

Problem is, he's still a kid.

 

[Set Harth]

I would have asked for a name change too. wtf kind of name is Tootles

 

[Aragorn]

Tootles renamed himself Isaac but I don't remember if anyone actually called him that.