Yeah, that bothered me right at the beginning so it was nice to see someone get real. The idea repeatedly comes up in certain cyberpunk anime that you can just download/upload someone's consciousness. I blame William Gibson.
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I wonder what their actual definition of transfer is anyway. How could they not even know if it's one or the other?
He can even survive decapitation, after allI’m still amazed Vivian from the Young Ones is in this show. A Xenomorph would be crazy to go up against him.
If the brain isn't transferred as was the case with the example of Motoko Kusinagi in Ghost in the Shell, Wendy and the Lost Boys are alpha-level simulations. In the end, if the difference makes no difference - the neural emulation can run on any suitable substrate, consciousness and free will are both illusions and there is no such thing as a soul in the traditional religious sense - then there is no difference.
A being that self-identifies retains a large semblance of the previous pattern in spacetime and believes it has continuity, while extending that pattern. It's the same debate as Star Trek transporters. In my opinion, we are fooled by not being able to perceive the 4D Bulk, because our sensorium presents the fantasy of a "now".
My God, it's full of stars!
A being that self-identifies retains a large semblance of the previous pattern in spacetime and believes it has continuity, while extending that pattern. It's the same debate as Star Trek transporters. In my opinion, we are fooled by not being able to perceive the 4D Bulk, because our sensorium presents the fantasy of a "now".
My God, it's full of stars!
I live for the exposition. I admit I'm a niche audience.All we need is long scenes of exposition and it is indeed Ghost in a Shell.
Well.. that episode was... Boring. Some stuff yes, Morrow's black mail, red head's decent into maddness, Wendy becoming the Alien Whisperer. But all that could have been stuffed into 20 minutes.
Suffering from Andorites .. Your concept isnt filling the time, and your filler sucks.
Suffering from Andorites .. Your concept isnt filling the time, and your filler sucks.
At first that's what I thought they were going to do, but then they just ran some blue lights under them!
Are we now to assume he's a synthetic due to his demonstrated fast reaction time?I’m still amazed Vivian from the Young Ones is in this show. A Xenomorph would be crazy to go up against him.
Star Trek did it in the 1968 episode "Return to Tomorrow" and it wasn't a new idea then.
So now that the show has established that the Five basically did away with the old political order on Earth, does that wipe away previous non-dialogue background stuff about the United States/United Americas, the Union of Progressive Peoples, the Three World Empire (which I’m pretty sure was originally intended to be the Third World Empire) etc, or was that stuff never “really” canon anyway? (Though Aliens did have the United States Colonial Marines.)
I love that the show is starting to dig into transhumanism and questioning whether or not human consciousness can actually be transferred to a synthetic body and still be the same individual. There are a lot of avenues for that discussion to take and I hope the show seriously considers them. Granted, I know this show is called Alien so there's going to a fair amount of violence and gore, but I hope the latter episodes of the season don't overly focus on that aspect at the expense of the metaphysical themes.
I'm continuing to enjoy more exploration of the mental stability of each of the hybrids, although Curly falls on the short side this time with Tootles/Isaac getting a bit more than last week.
Like I said last week, I'm especially concerned about Nibs and her outburst at Sylvia heightens those concerns. However, I can't help but wonder, after seeing what the eyeball octopus did to the sheep, if perhaps some kind of transference occurred with Nibs. True, it didn't bore into her like it did with the sheep but the thought still lingers, especially considering Nibs' sharp turn in mental stability that might not be entirely explained by trauma.
I'm continuing to enjoy more exploration of the mental stability of each of the hybrids, although Curly falls on the short side this time with Tootles/Isaac getting a bit more than last week.
Like I said last week, I'm especially concerned about Nibs and her outburst at Sylvia heightens those concerns. However, I can't help but wonder, after seeing what the eyeball octopus did to the sheep, if perhaps some kind of transference occurred with Nibs. True, it didn't bore into her like it did with the sheep but the thought still lingers, especially considering Nibs' sharp turn in mental stability that might not be entirely explained by trauma.
I long for the same. But, as I just explored, I fear we might be expecting a little too much in that regard for a show like this. But I've been pretty impressed so far.
Regardless of non-dialogue information, I'm actually more curious to learn more about a purely corporate leadership. We've already gotten glimpses of that in both this show and Romulus, but I'm intrigued to see how five corporations balance control and power. But perhaps that's one bulky idea too many for this show.
The question remains what is consciousness? If the kids are "just" 100% copies, i.e. memories and character traits copied completely who's to say that the copy is not conscious if all the elements bar the philosophical and religious are present? I don't know if the show will go there to explore these issues as it's as show set in an alien monster universe but it could well be something the show might continue to focus on.
I don't know if we'll get an answer in this season or at all or how this will play into the other storylines but i'm along to find out.
To be fair the movies only focused on the Xenomorph, the world building was just a sideshow to get all parties into a confrontation. This show does the opposite, it got the initial bloody mess with the xenomorph out of the way first ( what people expected from a show set in the Alien universe) so it could focus on other stories and the expansion of the universe background. It will obviously loop back into one or more Xenomorphs breaking loose but for now the show is using its time to tackle other issues we didn't see before because the scope of the movies was concentrated elsewhere.
For all we know Hybrids might still be a thing at the time of Alien and Aliens, possibly up to Ressurection but maybe it's so expensive that only the rich can afford it and the charactersin the movies had other problems to deal with than discussing the ethics and philosophy of consciousness transferal.
I am hoping that the irritating barefeet walking jesse eisenberg channeling as lex luthor young jerk trillionaire gets his comeuppance, preferably at the hands or in this case, the tentacles of the eyeball alien.
The sheep standing up after being "possessed" was hella scary to me.
The sheep standing up after being "possessed" was hella scary to me.
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Plus, we've only ever seen Weyland-Yutani operations up to this point. Perhaps they simply hadn't unlocked whatever secret that Prodigy has unlocked that enables mind transfer or mind copying or whatever it actually is that's going on.
I continue to be impressed with the writing and intrigued by the Lost Boys, but man, I hate gore. As soon as I saw the sheep, I looked away and didn't look back until my hubby said the scene was over.
Yeah, that was wonderfully freaky. As oppose to the gore immediately preceding it...
Yup, I looked away from that. Anything involving the eyeball octopus in action is immediate cause for looking away. Especially after the cat.
It wasn't a big action episode, but I wouldn't call it boring, we got plenty of interesting philosophical conversations, character, and story develop, and that's plenty to keep my interest.
One question with the copy versus consciousness transfer, is how would you be able to judge which it is? If you copy someone's consciousness, but they think they're the original, and the body or whatever that you took it from is gone or inactive, how would you know it wasn't the original? The only thing I can think of would be some to actually track the consciousness as it left one body and went to other, but I'm not sure how you would do that.
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