Alex Kurtzman on the Fine Line Between Adding to, and Staying True to, Star Trek's Canon

[ToyBoxComix]

There is no need for that since the size is not enough. You’d also have to imagine that the ship is a Transformer

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:STvsTF3-FortressTiberious.jpg
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:PrimesDirective4-CygnusVIIBattle.jpg

Wouldn't be the first time!

(Okay, that's not actually the Enterprise. Fort Max scanned the Enterprise. Kirk is his Headmaster.)

 

[WebLurker]

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:STvsTF3-FortressTiberious.jpg
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:PrimesDirective4-CygnusVIIBattle.jpg

Wouldn't be the first time!

(Okay, that's not actually the Enterprise. Fort Max scanned the Enterprise. Kirk is his Headmaster.)

Yeah, I thought of that, too.

Fun comic and liked that they went with "Star Trek and Transformers exist in the same world" instead of a parallel universe thing. Hope they make a sequel, given the hook they ended it with.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

If they wanted to apply a non-Transformer, non-artistic-license retcon, one could always suppose that the Enterprise NCC-1701 was more of a command than a starship, with at least two physical hulls (three as of TMP). The older, more reliable hull with everything that goes inside (uniforms included) would be occupied on distant missions of exploration, whereas the DSC hull would mostly be a core-worlds testbed for new technologies. Pike’s crew would keep switching between the two, to the point where it wouldn’t be much of an error if someone looked up old-hull specs (“Brother”) when running into a new-hull Enterprise. The TMP ship would then become a compromise between the two, reliable technology offsetting whatever was too far ahead.

 

[Amasov]

God forbid Trek wanders just slightly from the sacred texts.

 

[Amasov]

The TOS Enterprise doesn't have a canon size to retcon. Any size given would be the first time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The sizes there are for the TOS ship, and do not match the shorter and wider proportions of the rebooted Discoprise. Also the graphic is wrong and matches neither the TOS or Disco versions of the ship.

 

[Dukhat]

You know, I’m pretty sure in the entire history of Star Trek, not a single character in any show or movie just came out and uttered a specific length for a starship in dialogue.

Sometimes we just have to use common sense rather than some bs excuse that “it was never mentioned in teh cannon!!!!”

 

[Tuskin38]

This is from a BTS video, not the final episode. Doesn't count.
All you can see in the final episode is the nacelle length.

 

[bryce]

While they did mention Una picking up experimental fighters, there's also the issue of space:

Well, that pic above is from the remastered TOS, and so maybe not 100% cannon...?

Sometimes even the remastered version doesn't even pay as much attention to previously established cannon as it should.

Like take this...

Mudd's ship from the original TOS:

Mudd's ship from Star Trek Into Darkness:

^Same shape.

Now, Mudd's ship from TOS-R:

Not even close...

 

[Donald G]

The sizes there are for the TOS ship, and do not match the shorter and wider proportions of the rebooted Discoprise. Also the graphic is wrong and matches neither the TOS or Disco versions of the ship.

Ah, that must be one of them thar instances of "deliberate errors and misinformation inserted as part of Starfleet's ongoing campaign to confuse and confound threat forces," as invoked by Sternbach and Okuda in their introduction to the TNG TECHNICAL MANUAL (to both acknowledge while also invalidating previously published licensed and unlicensed technical works).

 

[Danja]

God forbid Trek wanders just slightly from the sacred texts.

I trust TPTB have better things to do than to listen to us squawk about the intricate workings of Heisenberg compensators and the lengths of the nacelles on the Enterprise-D.

To paraphrase the immortal words of MST3K, it's just a show ... And we should really just relax.

 

[Amasov]

This is from a BTS video, not the final episode. Doesn't count.
All you can see in the final episode is the nacelle length.

Oh, ok. I'm glad you set the rules for what counts and what doesn't.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh, ok. I'm glad you set the rules for what counts and what doesn't.

I didn’t, CBS/Paramount did.

 

[WebLurker]

Well, that pic above is from the remastered TOS, and so maybe not 100% cannon...?

Sometimes even the remastered version doesn't even pay as much attention to previously established cannon as it should.

Like take this...

Mudd's ship from the original TOS:

Mudd's ship from Star Trek Into Darkness:

^Same shape.

Now, Mudd's ship from TOS-R:

Not even close...

TOS-R retconned the original blob effect. Into Darkness was a completely different ship (heck, the non-canon prequel comic even claimed that it was a very different Mudd that they got the ship from).

 

[F. King Daniel]

Into Darkness was a completely different ship

It has the same outline as the original, which I thought was a nice touch. You could sorta imagine they were the same ship, albeit the ID version without the glowing golden shield.

I think in 2019 we're way past arguments of which is the "correct" version of the visual. TPTB have made it very clear that anything goes.

 

[WebLurker]

It has the same outline as the original, which I thought was a nice touch. You could sorta imagine they were the same ship, albeit the ID version without the glowing golden shield.

Fun Easter egg, maybe, but still, there is no reason they "have" to be the exact same ship.

I think in 2019 we're way past arguments of which is the "correct" version of the visual. TPTB have made it very clear that anything goes.

And yet the DSC Klingons were fixed in Season 2.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And yet the DSC Klingons were fixed in Season 2.

Watch "Ephraim and Dot"

 

[WebLurker]

Watch "Ephraim and Dot"

Why?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why?

Because you'll see the Discoprise going on Kirk's five year mission and being upgraded to the TMP version (with an -A, way too early), explicitly spelling out that The Powers That Be give no f's about which version of what is "official"

 

[WebLurker]

Because you'll see the Discoprise going on Kirk's five year mission and being upgraded to the TMP version (with an -A, way too early), explicitly spelling out that The Powers That Be give no f's about which version of what is "official"

Or we could just assume that the animator made a mistake and leave it at that, the way we ignore the TAS stuff. (Heck, we could ignore all the Discoprise appearances that don't fit with TOS the same way, but live action seems a lot harder to gloss over then animation; maybe it has something to do with animation already being taken as a stylized version of the reality in question, while live action feels like we're a fly on the wall in reality?)