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AI defeats real Fighter Pilot

Unless they actually have the ability to come up with their own unique goals, instead of just being really good at the goals programmed in by humans, they're not 'Our children', they're tools.

You do realize that creativity is nothing more than the ability to connect a variety of different information humans have been exposed to throughout their limited existence?
Compared to an computer algorithm... a human is able to accumulate only a small fraction of knowledge in any given field and would take them hundreds of thousands of years to learn everything we accumulated to date on just that 1 subject they specialize in through reading (no rest, no sleep, no eating, etc.) - and keep in mind we have NEW information coming out in practically every field on a daily basis at this point.

On the other hand, a simple algorithm can easily go through the collective knowledge of all humanity in a fraction of the time, find patterns from MULTIPLE fields/areas, and come up with solutions thousands of times faster than any human possibly could.

In fact, computers were already demonstrated doing this years ago.

To be fair, I doubt a general AI would pose a threat to humanity.
If anything humanity poses a threat to itself because majority of it wallows in ignorance (which leads to chaos and problems).
Then they transpose those limits to AI and computers and make grandiose assumptions based on badly made hollywood movies whose understanding of science and technology (not to mention human behavior) is practically 0.

In fact, when humans are exposed to relevant general education, critical thinking and problem solving, they usually have 0 intention on hurting others.
A general AI would likely be no different.... unless of course its core programming was limited to negative patterns such as competition, greed, and military aspects... obviously, if you limited a human to those conditions, they would probably end up being nothing more than a trained killing machine that obeys orders (which is incidentally what the military does).
And if an AI went 'rogue' with just that limited baseline, it would act in accordance to what it knew... like any other human when they behave in a certain way without knowing any better.
 
AI are still just really advanced calculators. They can do incredible calculations really fast but have to be told what to calculate.

They can beat humans at chess but can’t choose to be interested in beating humans at chess.
 
Of course, there's always this alternate possibility:

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Such an underrated movie and the end gave me chills....

But Forbin much like Ted Faro was full of hubris. "it doesn't need a kill switch" and look where we ended up in both situations.

In the case of Forbin it was I think 1970 when this movie was made so they didn't really think about things like "back doors" or "kill switches" when doing movies like this. Forbin I think must have thought his great machine would stick to its job and do that and nothing else, and probably didn't even see that it could have very, very quickly evolved self interest and logic. We see this pretty damn early in the movie too with how quickly it makes its moves. I wonder if the Russians had similar fears when they made their machine called Guardian.

As for Ted Faro (fuck Ted Faro a popular subreddit) well he made autonomous weapons and he gave them the ability to much on biomass for fuel in emergencies. His robots can also self repair and replicate others, as well as hack other nearby machines and slave them to their swarm.

Of course a glitch happens causing the swarms to go rogue and not obey shutdown orders and they basically end all life on Earth for 1000 years. He didn't think a backdoor or kill switch was needed. But then Ted was a special kind of idiot.

Both of these examples are pure fiction of course.

But there was a robot called EATR which could use plants as fuel.
 
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Fiction - yes but, the point behind such films/books (etc.) is often to simply bring up the simple fact that humans probably shouldn't be messing with such things since we do have hubris. We pretty much always miss something, or think we're too smart to screw it up and...well, you get the idea.

The movie Colossus: The Forbin Project was based on a very good book by the name of just Colossus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(novel)
 
Fiction - yes but, the point behind such films/books (etc.) is often to simply bring up the simple fact that humans probably shouldn't be messing with such things since we do have hubris. We pretty much always miss something, or think we're too smart to screw it up and...well, you get the idea.

The movie Colossus: The Forbin Project was based on a very good book by the name of just Colossus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(novel)

I've read the book but never read the follow up books being told they were just not as good.
Book is a lot more in depth and better than the film.
 
I've heard the same about the later books.

Kind of hard to write yourself out of the corner that Colossus put the characters in!
 
Ted Faro? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Ted Faro the antagonist in the game Horizon Zero Dawn doomed humanity to extinction for 1000 years because he made automated robots that could feed on biomass, not be hacked and could replicate. A glitch caused them to go homicidal on the planet.

Specifically he made money selling war robots
 
Ted Faro the antagonist in the game Horizon Zero Dawn doomed humanity to extinction for 1000 years because he made automated robots that could feed on biomass, not be hacked and could replicate. A glitch caused them to go homicidal on the planet.

Specifically he made money selling war robots

I played the game, I just couldn't remember for sure if Faro was the instigator of that story. Names sometimes escape me.
 
I played the game, I just couldn't remember for sure if Faro was the instigator of that story. Names sometimes escape me.

I wouldn't say he's the main instigator but he didn't help anyone unless a gun was held to his head. On reddit there is a whole subforum dedicted to "fuck Ted Faro" because everyone hates him so much which is funny considering he's a fictional video game character.
 
Would recommend that people read Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark.

Talks in detail about how intelligence has evolved and will probably evolve and asks us to join the conversation at the Future of Life Institute. Because when it comes to Superintelligent A.I, we may not get a second chance to get it right. All other previous technologies had humans in control. AGI or ASI may consider us as we consider ants; not caring overmuch that we're stepping on them. It's not malice; it's goals and priorities.
 
Would recommend that people read Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark.

Talks in detail about how intelligence has evolved and will probably evolve and asks us to join the conversation at the Future of Life Institute. Because when it comes to Superintelligent A.I, we may not get a second chance to get it right. All other previous technologies had humans in control. AGI or ASI may consider us as we consider ants; not caring overmuch that we're stepping on them. It's not malice; it's goals and priorities.

How fast can they evolve?
 
How fast can they evolve?

They've taken surveys of all the experts in the field and related fields. Estimates vary between 50 years to 100 years or more. (read the book for more accurate explanation) But these are guesstimates really. No one knows when the field can receive a shot in the arm reducing that timespan. Safe to say that the advancements will happen in the order of decades and not centuries.

There's some small chance that we may never achieve AGI or Superintelligence. But, as Tegmark argues, do we really want to take that chance?
 
They've taken surveys of all the experts in the field and related fields. Estimates vary between 50 years to 100 years or more. (read the book for more accurate explanation) But these are guesstimates really. No one knows when the field can receive a shot in the arm reducing that timespan. Safe to say that the advancements will happen in the order of decades and not centuries.

There's some small chance that we may never achieve AGI or Superintelligence. But, as Tegmark argues, do we really want to take that chance?


We may not want to take the chance and risk it but like most technology it tends to just happen. The only thing is when and in what circumstances / conditions it happens.
 
going to just jump into thread with the AI discussion, with something about protein folding AI problem solving 000

In his acceptance speech for the 1972 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, Christian Anfinsen famously postulated that, in theory, a protein’s amino acid sequence should fully determine its structure. This hypothesis sparked a five decade quest to be able to computationally predict a protein’s 3D structure based solely on its 1D amino acid sequence as a complementary alternative to these expensive and time consuming experimental methods. A major challenge, however, is that the number of ways a protein could theoretically fold before settling into its final 3D structure is astronomical. In 1969 Cyrus Levinthal noted that it would take longer than the age of the known universe to enumerate all possible configurations of a typical protein by brute force calculation – Levinthal estimated 10^300 possible conformations for a typical protein. Yet in nature, proteins fold spontaneously, some within milliseconds – a dichotomy sometimes referred to as Levinthal’s paradox.​

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...ding-ai-solved-biology-science-drugs-disease/

or

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/11/30...olding-grand-challenge-with-alphafold-ai.html

I always wondered about protein folding after doing the dna stuff- seems like a complex thing to solve for people but yeah AI works it out--- whoa -

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the image is from this discussion on the topic-

https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-50-year-old-grand-challenge-in-biology
 
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