Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Any camo would have been better. But, I think you would like this.

Pretty neat, but depending on the tech, using active camoflage on yourself is nice and all, but if you run out of battery or they figure out a way to sense your cloaking field tech, you're screwed. Especially if they know what to look for / scan for.

The big issue with Personal Shields / Cloaking is that you can't carry a reactor with you, those are too big & bulky for the energy output needed.

Only batteries are really viable, especially for high drain tech like Personal Shields / Cloaking Fields.

There are other ways of Camoflaging without necessarilly going the Predator Route and there are methods of signal dampening to make tricorders and other sensors useless.

 

[fireproof78]

Pretty neat, but depending on the tech, using active camoflage on yourself is nice and all, but if you run out of battery or they figure out a way to sense your cloaking field tech, you're screwed. Especially if they know what to look for.

There are other ways of Camoflaging without necessarilly going the Predator Route and there are methods of signal dampening to make tricorders and other sensors useless.

Until the battery runs out? I think adaptive camo, not just the Predator route but something a bit more akin to the nano tech in Marvel might be more useful. But, I would imagine any technical achievement could be limited by power. So, I would have the uniform already have a camo pattern for the environment.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Until the battery runs out? I think adaptive camo, not just the Predator route but something a bit more akin to the nano tech in Marvel might be more useful. But, I would imagine any technical achievement could be limited by power. So, I would have the uniform already have a camo pattern for the environment.

Usually for Personal Shields, the Sensors have Spherical Coverage and turns on the Personal Shields when a projectile is likely to hit you and turns it on for the amount of time necessary to block said projectile/beam or until the energy runs out while defending against incoming attack.

Passive Adaptive Camo where your clothes change colors is more practical, think colored eInk screens, but applied on top of your uniforms fabric and changed at will to match the local surroundings. Think of a pre-established Camo Pattern, but of all color varieties to match the environment. KRYPTEK Camo Patterns is one of my favorites, they offer a wide variety of environmental colors in the same pattern. The pattern is tested to work at distance so that the human eye will have a hard time to distinguish the person from the environment.

 

[fireproof78]

Passive Adaptive Camo where your clothes change colors is more practical,

Yes, exactly.

Usually for Personal Shields, the Sensors have Spherical Coverage and turns on the Personal Shields when a projectile is likely to hit you and turns it on for the amount of time necessary to block said projectile/beam or until the energy runs out while defending against incoming attack.

Right, but if you are using lifesign dampening as well then you are working multiple powered items.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Right, but if you are using lifesign dampening as well then you are working multiple powered items.

It's always a trade off, and different technologies will consume different amounts of energy.

Life Sign dampening for sensors should be way cheaper in energy cost than having your shields on for the same duration of time.

 

[fireproof78]

It's always a trade off, and different technologies will consume different amounts of energy.

Life Sign dampening for sensors should be way cheaper in energy cost than having your shields on for the same duration of time.

Not sure if I completely agree with that, but I will bow to your superior tech knowledge.

I just think that the adaptive nature of lifesigns dampening would have a variety of power needs, especially for a soldier who is moving across varied terrain, heart rate moves up, down, respiration up and down, etcc, that would probably affect power consumption.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Not sure if I completely agree with that, but I will bow to your superior tech knowledge.

I just think that the adaptive nature of lifesigns dampening would have a variety of power needs, especially for a soldier who is moving across varied terrain, heart rate moves up, down, respiration up and down, etcc, that would probably affect power consumption.

While that may be true, jamming EM signals that reflect off your body from the sender should consume less energy than raising shields to stop energy or kinetic projectiles.

 

[fireproof78]

While that may be true, jamming EM signals that reflect off your body from the sender should consume less energy than raising shields to stop energy or kinetic projectiles.

Wouldn't that principle apply to camouflage too though? Like a stealth field?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Wouldn't that principle apply to camouflage too though? Like a stealth field?

The Cloaking Field covers the entire EM spectrum vs dedicated jamming only using a small portion; just enough to confuse sensors dedicated to life signs.

 

[fireproof78]

The Cloaking Field covers the entire EM spectrum vs dedicated jamming only using a small portion; just enough to confuse sensors dedicated to life signs.

But couldn't you create a uniform material that would absorb scans like current stealth planes.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

But couldn't you create a uniform material that would absorb scans like current stealth planes.

The Combination Alloy / Polymer material inside Stealth Planes uses too many metals and would make the clothes way too heavy and impractical.

It would work great for ground vehicles, but would be really bad for clothing.

The F-35 is the latest in Stealth Design and even has Stealth Material properties that are being back-ported to the F-22.

Part of the reason the F-35's Polymer Stealth Coating works is because the Radar Absorbing Particles is embedded throughout the Polymer and is very deep, when I say deep, I mean in centimeters deep. Also the entire structure of the F-35 is shaped around Stealth properties with common facet angles that only radiate a Radar reflection off at funky Oblique angles that aren't normal for Air Combat.

You can't do that with clothing, clothing can't be that thick and genrally wants to be thin and light with only a few exceptions.

Even if you add in Radar / EM absorbing Particles, it's such a thin layer that it won't do very much.

And a persons body is too round, so it reflects EM signatures in all directions, there's no faceted design possible on a person to narrow your EM Signature from many angles and limit detection to oblique angles.

 

[fireproof78]

The Combination Alloy / Polymer material inside Stealth Planes uses too many metals and would make the clothes way too heavy and impractical.

It would work great for ground vehicles, but would be really bad for clothing.

The F-35 is the latest in Stealth Design and even has Stealth Material properties that are being back-ported to the F-22.

Part of the reason the F-35's Polymer Stealth Coating works is because the Radar Absorbing Particles is embedded throughout the Polymer and is very deep, when I say deep, I mean in centimeters deep. Also the entire structure of the F-35 is shaped around Stealth properties with common facet angles that only radiate a Radar reflection off at funky Oblique angles that aren't normal for Air Combat.

You can't do that with clothing, clothing can't be that thick and genrally wants to be thin and light with only a few exceptions.

Even if you add in Radar / EM absorbing Particles, it's such a thin layer that it won't do very much.

And a persons body is too round, so it reflects EM signatures in all directions, there's no faceted design possible on a person to narrow your EM Signature from many angles and limit detection to oblique angles.

Right but we are talking future tech. Creating a material that absorbs radar scans enough to create an inaccurate reading.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Right but we are talking future tech. Creating a material that absorbs radar scans enough to create an inaccurate reading.

Even if it could absorb radar or other EM scans on different parts of the EM spectrum, it usually works with having a reasonable amount of depth for absorbing materal and works with Stealth Shaping principles.

The Science behind Stealth Shaping & EM absorbption doesn't change.

Also one of the properties of the EM absorbing materials is that it converts the EM signals into heat.

You don't want your clothing to heat up when you get scanned, if you send enough EM signals at the wearers clothes, it could cook the person inside.

Not great when you're biological in nature.

And when your clothes heat up, it'll radiate out heat on the IR spectrum, lighting you up for the enemy to see on IR Optical sensors.

That's a big No/No in Stealth Tactics on the ground.

You want to minimize your IR signature.

 

[fireproof78]

Even if it could absorb radar or other EM scans on different parts of the EM spectrum, it usually works with having a reasonable amount of depth for absorbing materal and works with Stealth Shaping principles.

The Science behind Stealth Shaping & EM absorbption doesn't change.

Also one of the properties of the EM absorbing materials is that it converts the EM signals into heat.

You don't want your clothing to heat up when you get scanned, if you send enough EM signals at the wearers clothes, it could cook the person inside.

Not great when you're biological in nature.

And when your clothes heat up, it'll radiate out heat on the IR spectrum, lighting you up for the enemy to see on IR Optical sensors.

That's a big No/No in Stealth Tactics on the ground.

You want to minimize your IR signature.

Except, could you not channel that heat as energy in to a power pack, thus fueling additional stealth tech?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Except, could you not channel that heat as energy in to a power pack, thus fueling additional stealth tech?

You don't know when you're going to get scanned, and adding extra weight in having Thermo Electric Generators usually isn't worth it given the weight penalty for that type of electronics and how inefficient it is to convert that level of Heat to electricity.

And the more electronics you add, you create another type of material / equipment for the enemy to scan for.

 

[fireproof78]

You don't know when you're going to get scanned, and adding extra weight in having Thermo Electric Generators usually isn't worth it given the weight penalty for that type of electronics and how inefficient it is to convert that level of Heat to electricity.

And the more electronics you add, you create another type of material / equipment for the enemy to scan for.

Adaptive materials is the core concept. Star Trek already has defensive screens which snap on due to an automatic detection. Plus, use the body's own heat to provide both power and reducing EM output. The purpose to reduce signatures not full stealth.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Adaptive materials is the core concept. Star Trek already has defensive screens which snap on due to an automatic detection. Plus, use the body's own heat to provide both power and reducing EM output. The purpose to reduce signatures not full stealth.

There are already simple passive ways of doing that when it comes to blocking IR without needing extra electronics.

Adding Electronics in itself, even ThermoElectric Generators, creates a new sensor profile to target.

The more electronics & equipment you add, the more sensor target types the enemy can home in on.

They don't have to target your human biological profile, they can target electronics or any of the signals that your electronics will make.

That's the issue with the sensor / counter-sensor warfare.

The more gear you use, you create different target profiles for the enemy sensors to look for to track you down in the field.

It's really a game of complicated cat & mouse.

https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae420.cfm

And like I've told to Dex before, the amount of energy that the Human Body generates in Heat output is at best 100 watts.

The average human (according to my Coke® can's Nutrition Facts label) consumes approximately 2000 Calories per day (it's actually usually somewhere between 2200 and 4000, but 2000 is a nice number). Using a simple conversion (1000 calories = 1 Calorie, 1 calorie = 4.1868 J), this amounts to 8.37 x 106 joules ingested per day.

Human energy equivalentThis means that the average person expends ~8.37 x 106 joules of energy per day, since most of us are in some sort of equilibrium with our surroundings. Assuming most of this energy leaves us in the form of heat, I calculate that on average we radiate ~350,000 J of energy per hour. Since Watt is just Joules per second, this is roughly equal to energy given off by a 100 Watt light bulb!

Typical ThermoElectric Generators operate at 5-8% efficiency.
Even if you applied the Carnot Theory Limit on Heat Engines, the maximum would be ~83% using the Seebeck Effect for a solid state TEG.

But applying all that heavy metal for a TEG on a person doesn't make much sense given the weight penalty.

Even if you solved the materials problem and found a way to use Flexible Fabric-Style polymers to hold the TEG, @ 83% of 100 watts, that's 83 watts of electricity.

You can only do so much with 83 watts of electricity.

 

[fireproof78]

There are already simple passive ways of doing that when it comes to blocking IR without needing extra electronics.

Such as?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Such as?

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/security/how-to-block-ir-infrared-thermal-imaging/

Emergency Thermal Mylar Blanket
UV Protection Umbrella
Heavy Blanket
Glass
Netting Materials
Blending in with other heat sources
Wear a Ghillie suit
Wear an insulated jacket
Objects between You and the Sensor
Stationary vs. Movement - (A moving heat signature at night is quicker to identify than a stationary one (up to a point).)

These are just basic modern day "budget" counter measures, there are far more advanced stuff as well.

The Taliban were using Mylar Tents to hide from IR signals detected over head by Drones

 

[fireproof78]

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/security/how-to-block-ir-infrared-thermal-imaging/

Emergency Thermal Mylar Blanket
UV Protection Umbrella
Heavy Blanket
Glass
Netting Materials
Blending in with other heat sources
Wear a Ghillie suit
Wear an insulated jacket
Objects between You and the Sensor
Stationary vs. Movement

These are just basic modern day "budget" counter measures, there are far more advanced stuff as well.

Right, but wouldn't Trek tech have more than IR?