Indeed, and likely won't have a definitive answer until Season 4. For the time being TIlly is in the science division, likely as part of her spore drive related knowledge. She could still serve as XO and wear blue.
Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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There also were 6 department colors in TMP already
Agreed. I always liked Bob Fletcher’s branch color designations that lasted through all the TOS movies. They made sense. The three TOS/TNG+ colors seemed way too simplistic to me. Disco slightly improved on this by making the Medical uniforms white (and 32nd century security black) but I wished they would go back to the Fletcher colors and build new uniforms around those.
So, here they are -- the future Starfleet uniforms finally appear in 3x05 "Die Trying"
First impressions:
- Grey.
- Starfleet still likes a close fit.
- Admirals still have redundant duplication of insignia!
- The new combadges are there.
- The tick / check-marks on the collar definitely seem to have significance.
The new uniforms seem to come in several basic types:
1. A more formal variant with a jacket and a coloured stripe down the right side of the body
So far, we can see white and also (on background extras) blue and golden yellow.
2. A less formal variant (a one piece) with coloured sleeves and yoke and a different torso and legs.
So far, we have seen what appears to be dark blue over the standard grey and white over what could be the grey but might be the same dark blue (the lighting makes it a little tricky to be sure.
3. The Admirals' variant of the formal grey jacket
No coloured stripe down the front but a coloured patch at the front of the collar and matching piping around the edge of the collar and the shoulders. In this case, the colour is red. There are black epaulette / shoulder straps with gold piped edging and insignia that seem to follow the mirrored pair of insignia on the collar.
The close-up shots also reveal that there's quite a bit more construction detail in terms of the texture / quilting on the shoulders that can be seen from a distance.
Let the discussion begin...!!
So, here they are -- the future Starfleet uniforms finally appear in 3x05 "Die Trying"
First impressions:
- Grey.
- Starfleet still likes a close fit.
- Admirals still have redundant duplication of insignia!
- The new combadges are there.
- The tick / check-marks on the collar definitely seem to have significance.
The new uniforms seem to come in several basic types:
1. A more formal variant with a jacket and a coloured stripe down the right side of the body
So far, we can see white and also (on background extras) blue and golden yellow.
2. A less formal variant (a one piece) with coloured sleeves and yoke and a different torso and legs.
So far, we have seen what appears to be dark blue over the standard grey and white over what could be the grey but might be the same dark blue (the lighting makes it a little tricky to be sure.
3. The Admirals' variant of the formal grey jacket
No coloured stripe down the front but a coloured patch at the front of the collar and matching piping around the edge of the collar and the shoulders. In this case, the colour is red. There are black epaulette / shoulder straps with gold piped edging and insignia that seem to follow the mirrored pair of insignia on the collar.
The close-up shots also reveal that there's quite a bit more construction detail in terms of the texture / quilting on the shoulders that can be seen from a distance.
Let the discussion begin...!!
I like them. To me it's a simple to look at design.
The Fletcher TWOK design was way over the top and the whole system he conceived was far to heavily rooted in the the contemporary late 20th Century US Navy.
It was clever, and I liked the designs and the full scheme of rank markings and departments, but it was all a bit much for Trek IMHO.
The TMP breakdown basically split each of the TOS divisions into two so that there became Command and Operations / Engineering and Security / Sciences and Medical — which is more-or-less where Disco is now.
If Commander Nhan makes a reappearance for S4, perhaps we’ll actually get to see the black security uniforms. Maybe we’ll even see a grey uniform with a black stripe (or perhaps the black is just an operational uniform and they’ll still wear yellow for standard uniforms...?)
It was clever, and I liked the designs and the full scheme of rank markings and departments, but it was all a bit much for Trek IMHO.
The TMP breakdown basically split each of the TOS divisions into two so that there became Command and Operations / Engineering and Security / Sciences and Medical — which is more-or-less where Disco is now.
If Commander Nhan makes a reappearance for S4, perhaps we’ll actually get to see the black security uniforms. Maybe we’ll even see a grey uniform with a black stripe (or perhaps the black is just an operational uniform and they’ll still wear yellow for standard uniforms...?)
Sounds good to me! Right now, the Tikhov-M is the last ship whose crew (i.e. Nhan) wears the DSC-era uniform. Audrey WIlla's uniform would look great on Nhan. And with security wearing black shoulder pads, that leaves all the operations yellow to engineering and a few other operational fields.
Seems fair.
I love, love, love the new uniforms. Discovery's original ones always seemed so unflattering.
I like the informal ones the best of the new ones. I'd like to see them, but with the stripe from the other ones. So you have the gray body and colored yoke, but you also have the color extending down in a stripe.
I don't like the cut or fabric of the new uniforms that we saw in the finale. They're not flattering and they look uncomfortable.
I love that medical is now white. It reminds me of next gen, how they had greenish blue for medical and a different blue for science.
Remember how starship captains used to be green? I'd like to see that again, too.
What if they went back to Braxton's color scheme? With blue as command.
I don't like the cut or fabric of the new uniforms that we saw in the finale. They're not flattering and they look uncomfortable.
I love that medical is now white. It reminds me of next gen, how they had greenish blue for medical and a different blue for science.
Remember how starship captains used to be green? I'd like to see that again, too.
What if they went back to Braxton's color scheme? With blue as command.
They had more than three colors, at least at various points. Kirk had a green wraparound that was unique to him. Assumed that it was for commanding officers. Crusher and her medical team had a distinct color from the science division.
I always thought that was down to lighting. Anything I've ever seen about the TNG uniforms has Science/Medical as both blue, no real difference in the color.
IIRC, that comes mainly from the constant laundering of the uniform.
It's all the same blue, but Beverly's uniform was washed so many times (since she always wears it) the color faded. Thus when somebody wears blue for the first time, like Picard in "Tapestry", it's a brand new uniform, thus a much brighter shade.
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I looked it up since posting. I'm a doofus. It looks like they just got new uniforms with each season, and they changed the colors a bit with each new one. That created differences. And yeah, the earlier seasons had some wonky, "dark" episodes."
It makes so much more sense to me to have different colors for science and medical, though. If you're in a disaster situation you know where to run if you have an injury.
YOU: Help, my ribs and left arm are broken!
BLUEY: Sorry, homes, I only know astrophysics.
Yeah, I always thought that some form of difference in the coloring would help in an emergency situation. One thing I liked was Chapel having the red cross in the insignia, which would have been effective for all medical personnel.
I like your exchange above. I could picture Bluey saying that, then running off from injured crewman!
allegedly this happened because the wraparound green tunics were made of a different material that worked better under those lights.
Speaking of color changes, somewhere towards the end of DS9,l and mid of Voyager the blue uniforms turn green. I understand this was because they changed lighting techniques at that point.
That's what can happen on a plane when you're a doctor, but not a medical one XD
Kirk's main TOS uniform looks green in a museum.
I thought they really switched from blue to teal
Kirk's uniform is definitely green. The material and everything. It looks green on camera and in real life. All of the other command uniforms look gold onscreen, but I'm told that they're a very light green.
They were all green, but different materials looked different under the same lighting. There are publicity stills going right back to the beginning that show Shatner's standard tunic as what Theiss described as "avocado gold," a pale yellow-green.
There were at least three materials being used for the uniforms in the first two years - a cotton velour for the standard shirts, a light wool knit for the wrap-around shirt, and a satin fabric for the dress uniforms. The wrap-around and dress shirts almost always read as green. In the remastered, color-corrected footage used for the current HD release, you can see the green cast to the standard outfits more often than you could on the old NTSC scans.
There were at least three materials being used for the uniforms in the first two years - a cotton velour for the standard shirts, a light wool knit for the wrap-around shirt, and a satin fabric for the dress uniforms. The wrap-around and dress shirts almost always read as green. In the remastered, color-corrected footage used for the current HD release, you can see the green cast to the standard outfits more often than you could on the old NTSC scans.
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