Actually I’d bet it’s because they like them and like the distinction of them standing out, having their own look. Again, if the change I’m guessing very late into the season. We shall see!!!
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Actually I’d bet it’s because they like them and like the distinction of them standing out, having their own look. Again, if the change I’m guessing very late into the season. We shall see!!!
Maybe cut back on the quaint Irish villages and vintage cars?
OK, back to the uniforms...
Here are a few grabs of those Captains from 3x06:
Just in case anyone was in any doubt about these uniforms
There... Are... Four... Pips...!
(Sorry, couldn't help it!)
I don't mind the Shoulder Pieces or the neck piece, but WHY on earth have the Rank Pips repeated 4x times on the uniform in TINY ASS pips that you have to have a zoom in shot to see clearly or ID?Yes, the 3189 uniforms are OK. I rather like bits of them but I'm less sure about other aspects. I really appreciate the effort that went into making the variety of background variations seen in 3x05 (and apparently also in 3x06). I always thought that the idea of Starfleet having only one uniform seemed a bit dumb.
In fact, as far back as TOS we had the standard uniform, the dress uniform and the one-colour utility work suits; TMP had multiple variations (!) and TNG also had a standard uniform, a dress uniform and one-colour work suits in the early seasons. In the later TNG period, arguably the original DS9 uniform replaced the one-colour work suits as that era's utility uniform. I'm glad to see that we once again again have a variety of Starfleet uniforms.
I do think the multiple re-iteration of the four pips insignia on the captain uniforms is a bit unnecessary. I can just (about) understand it on the admiral's variant but it seems OTT on the others, especially given that pretty much everyone else only seems to have the bumps down the left and side of the transporter badge to indicate rank and no black shoulder straps at all.
Here are a couple of other images from the briefing room scene:
Guys with yellow stripes standing behind Saru. Could be security although we've previously seen Lt. Willa and her team wearing black so maybe just Ops...?
An officer with a red stripe and no black shoulder straps, standing behind the fourth, unnamed captain. The metallic parts of her collar patch appear to be gold like those of the captains, rather then the silver we have seen on everyone else so far. Is that for all Command division uniforms or maybe this is the Executive Officer of one of those ships...?
That's redundant information that one set of LARGE Rank Pips could've taken care of.
There's no need to put Tiny Sized Rank Pips the size of Mini M&M's across both shoulders, neck, and ComBadge!?!?!
What is the purpose of having the Check Mark shaped Chevrons?
As for using Chevrons in a meaningful way, you can use them as "Service Length Indicators" to indicate how long you've been serving within StarFleet. Actual militaries do this with Service Stripes/Chevrons and you can implement them to indicate how long each officer has been in service.
Why is there 3x different patterns of "Uniforms"?
You have the tiny vests that are open in the center.
You have the Vertical Stripe on the right side of the chest
You have the Halter Top looking unit with patterns on the top.
Why are there 3x different patterns for day to day regular duty "Uniforms"?
I thought the purpose of a "Uniform" was so that EVERYBODY wear the same type of pattern.
Hence the name "Uniform". Not "Uniform of 3 types of patterns"?
Also, why is the Vertical Stripe Assymetrical along with the bottom length of the jacket being Assymetrical????
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"Stripe Right = Winner!"
"Stripe Left = Loser!"
Based on Tinder algorithms, perhaps???
"Stripe Left = Loser!"
Based on Tinder algorithms, perhaps???
Because Star Trek.
The holodeck has a separate, incompatible, power source, so they have plenty of energy to spare there.
Yes, this piece of horse manure is canon.
One of the more ridiculous techobabble things to come out of VOY. The crew can connect alien tech with barely any point of reference but it's own systems can't be adapted?
Really? So they can reroute power from the holodecks to vital systems?? What genius thought that up?
Anyway, I figure the same matter & energy it takes to create their current uniforms could be used to create the new FC uniforms. No extra power needed. So Voyager deliberately kept the old uniforms.
Based on season 2 of Disco, the Enterprise crew were the only ones we see wearing the TOS style uniforms. Everyone else we see, Disco's crew, the personnel at the starbase Spock's psychriatric hospital was at, even Starfleet Command itself were all wearing the blue Disco style uniforms. If anything, they appeared to be sticking to the explanation from the novels that the TOS style uniforms were worn exclusively on Constitution class ships while the rest of Starfleet wore the blue outfits.
Then the Short Treks came along and had everyone else wearing the TOS style uniforms. Except for some reason, Admirals still wore the Disco style blue outfits.
Admiral Vance doesn't seem like he's be too keen on individuality. I'm surprised he didn't tell them to change in episode 5 right after saying "welcome home".
I've a feeling in SNW will feature mostly the Enterprise style or maybe no Disco at all.
The badges also project a holographic interface
Do we know all are regular duty uniforms? The stripe and or halters might be the regular duty uniforms. My guess is the halters.
The gray ones with the stripes (worn by Vance and his ilk) struck me as a more formal uniform, whereas the gray/blue ones worn by Willa and company might be more standard field gear.
Or something like that.
Or something like that.
I rarely take much notice of Trekyards; I'm afraid they do sometimes miss details or misinterpret things (IMHO...), so I tend to take them with something of a pinch of salt. That said, they have helped to confirm something I began to suspect a few days ago, which is the odd asymmetric nature of the bottom hem on the grey jacket version of the uniforms and I'm grateful for that!
It's one of the few features of these designs that I really, really dislike. It just feels so unnecessary and seems to be a feature "just for the sake of it." I know the asymmetric zip and collar on the Discovery uniforms has divided opinion but I didn't mind it too much and could see why it was there as a feature. The hem on the new jackets just looks like someone accidentally cut too much off the side with the coloured stripe -- and it really looks very odd next to the more conventional symmetric hem on the admiral version of the jacket.
It's one of the few features of these designs that I really, really dislike. It just feels so unnecessary and seems to be a feature "just for the sake of it." I know the asymmetric zip and collar on the Discovery uniforms has divided opinion but I didn't mind it too much and could see why it was there as a feature. The hem on the new jackets just looks like someone accidentally cut too much off the side with the coloured stripe -- and it really looks very odd next to the more conventional symmetric hem on the admiral version of the jacket.
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In fairness, most organisations that have a uniform rarely have just a single version of their organisational dress. The different versions usually serve slightly different purposes; some for cultural / aesthetic reasons (ceremonial uniforms), some for rather more prosaic practical reasons (utility or combat uniforms or specialist kit such as flight suits or firefighting).
I usually try to avoid using the US Navy as a direct comparator for Starfleet because folks sometimes take it too literally and want to know why Starfleet does (or doesn't) do X, Y or Z, because the USN does (or doesn't) do X, Y or Z. In this case, however, I think it's a fair comparison. The uniforms worn by the admiral and the captains in the briefing room scene feel like the equivalent of formal Service Dress Blue in the USN. Some of the other, less formal versions seen in the background may be more like the USN khaki uniforms or even working uniform coveralls.
I actually think having a number of different uniforms variants is no bad thing. The later TNG-era seemed reasonable to me, with the TNG standard uniform continuing to be the more formal duty uniform and the DS9 uniform being the more practical / utility uniform -- and I think that's something like what we're meant to be seeing in the 3189 SFHQ.
Voyager subsequently introduced a few other Starfleet uniform variants to the late TNG-era, none of them had been seen in other shows but, equally, they were all plausible as clothing that had a specialist function or role and which made sense as stuff that might be in use throughout Starfleet. I guess we're seeing something like that in 3x05, it's just that they've thrown a lot of money and effort at trying to establish 32nd Century Starfleet all in one go, including the background uniforms that otherwise might not have appeared for a while.
Lt Willa's uniform, with it's black textured yoke and sleeves, may be specific to Security. It could be some form of field or operational uniform. Who knows...?! Noticeably, the two guys with her had similar uniforms but with only in the centre section of the chest in black. I don't know why they wouldn't wear exactly the same as her, but sometimes we have to accept that things can be driven by real-world production decisions, rather than anything that necessarily makes sense in-universe, particularly if they want a named character with a speaking role to stand out from unnamed background extras.
Aside from that, there are also things like the white medical uniforms which seem to be in line with the white clinical uniforms we have previously seen in other iterations of Trek.
I agree about the asymmetry of the jacket hem (see above!)
Yes, that seems about right! This will be driven as much but the creative decisions of the production team than by anything that might otherwise make sense from an "in-universe." I agree that the producers probably want to keep the Disco crew with their own "look," at least for the time being. I guess we might see them change by, say, the end of this season or the start of next season but, equally, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they choose to keep the current blue Disco uniforms, for no other good reason than simply because they still want to.
no, because the holodeck’s power source is incompatible with the other systems. I know: it makes no sense, but here we are.
Good question.
Unless they just launder uniforms instead of replicating a new one each day...
definitely mostly rebooted-tos uniforms there.
i really think that either they won’t Change uniforms or that everyone will to a new design we’ve never seen. These don’t really strike me as “hero” uniforms.
Yes, interesting point -- the grey might be OK in the background but probably won't look so great on the main cast.
It'll be interesting to see which way they choose to go.
It'll be interesting to see which way they choose to go.
Agreed.
In fact, IMO either the utilities or a slightly simpler "cadet blacks" should have been used instead of the updated "technicians overalls" (the full length long sleeveless coveralls/jumpsuits that replaced the TOS short-sleeved one or the MM-era jumpsuits) for regular use during the TNG era when carrying out "dirty work", by most security teams and even potentially on (non-diplomatic) away missions.
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