Agni homeworld

[Garak234]

The homeworld of the Agni from Christopher Bennet’s captains oath is located in Beta Agni system
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Beta_Agni_system
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Beta_Agni_system
In the novel the captains oath the UFP received no warning of the Agni migration so the UFP colonization of the Beta Agni system can be dated to after the events of the Captains oath in 2261-3. I will later compute the distance of the Agni migrations mentioned in captains oath using the http://www.aerth.org/Constellation/star_trek.asp.

 

[Christopher]

The homeworld of the Agni from Christopher Bennet’s captains oath is located in Beta Agni system

No, it is not. The two have nothing to do with each other. "Agni" is not the Agni's own name for themselves, since they don't have phonetic speech. So of course it's not meant to be the name of their home system. As I clearly stated in the novel, it was a provisional name chosen for them by Starfleet Command for lack of anything else to call them, the name of the Vedic (Hindu) god of fire. It only stuck because we couldn't pronounce their name for themselves.

I didn't even recall there was a "Beta Agni" mentioned in Trek when I chose the name. "Beta Agni" doesn't even make sense as a Bayer designation, like so many made-up star names in Trek. It would have to be the second-brightest star in a constellation called Agnus, the Lamb, which doesn't exist. Although it wouldn't be the first made-up constellation in Trek -- see Beta Niobe, for instance. (Although it would more properly be Beta Niobes, I think.) Presumably colony worlds would create their own constellations since the star configurations in the sky would be different.

 

[Markonian]

I like the idea that Agnus could be a constellation visible from a Human colony world.

 

[Christopher]

I like the idea that Agnus could be a constellation visible from a Human colony world.

But it has nothing to do with the Agni or The Captain's Oath, so this whole thread seems pointless.

 

[ryan123450]

Way to act towards someone who is obviously a big fan of your work.

 

[Christopher]

Way to act towards someone who is obviously a big fan of your work.

Fandom isn't a license for everything. They should've asked if it was true rather than baldly asserting it as a fact before checking. Making false claims about my work is not something I'm under any obligation to tolerate or appreciate.

 

[Garak234]

Fandom isn't a license for everything. They should've asked if it was true rather than baldly asserting it as a fact before checking. Making false claims about my work is not something I'm under any obligation to tolerate or appreciate.

It seemed like a good match at the time but another question is why did the UFP call the species the Agni(beyond being the Hindu god) did the UFP know about the Beta Agni system when it named the species the Agni or is it just a coincidence based on common attributes to both the Agni and Beta Agni system. (You are the absolute owner of the Agni no-one contesting that)

 

[Garak234]

No, it is not. The two have nothing to do with each other. "Agni" is not the Agni's own name for themselves, since they don't have phonetic speech. So of course it's not meant to be the name of their home system. As I clearly stated in the novel, it was a provisional name chosen for them by Starfleet Command for lack of anything else to call them, the name of the Vedic (Hindu) god of fire. It only stuck because we couldn't pronounce their name for themselves.

I didn't even recall there was a "Beta Agni" mentioned in Trek when I chose the name. "Beta Agni" doesn't even make sense as a Bayer designation, like so many made-up star names in Trek. It would have to be the second-brightest star in a constellation called Agnus, the Lamb, which doesn't exist. Although it wouldn't be the first made-up constellation in Trek -- see Beta Niobe, for instance. (Although it would more properly be Beta Niobes, I think.) Presumably colony worlds would create their own constellations since the star configurations in the sky would be different.

Maybe the constellations as known today are outdated in the 23rd century and stars seen from different regions (I can’t say if the stars seen from Vulcan in the sky would be the same on earth). Starbased Navigational data is simply upgraded like new data on planetary maps.

 

[rfmcdpei]

I can imagine that colonists on worlds distant from their homeworld, with few if any of the constellations of their homeworld's skies being recognizable, might try to come up with new constellations. Why not?

 

[Christopher]

I can imagine that colonists on worlds distant from their homeworld, with few if any of the constellations of their homeworld's skies being recognizable, might try to come up with new constellations. Why not?

That's the only possible explanation for all the fake Bayer designations in Trek, e.g. Alpha Onias, Beta Kupsic, Beta Lankal, Beta Magellan, Beta Niobe, Beta Portolan, Beta Renner, Beta Stromgren, Beta Thoridar, and why are there so many Betas?

 

[rfmcdpei]

That's the only possible explanation for all the fake Bayer designations in Trek, e.g. Alpha Onias, Beta Kupsic, Beta Lankal, Beta Magellan, Beta Niobe, Beta Portolan, Beta Renner, Beta Stromgren, Beta Thoridar, and why are there so many Betas?

IIRC you wrote in The Buried Age that Maxis Zeta took its name from the Berengarian constellation of Maxia. Berengaria, IIRC, did not have an indigenous population, but rather one of colonists.

 

[Christopher]

IIRC you wrote in The Buried Age that Maxis Zeta took its name from the Berengarian constellation of Maxia. Berengaria, IIRC, did not have an indigenous population, but rather one of colonists.

Well, yes, that's what you'd expect. After all, aliens wouldn't have the Greek alphabet or Bayer designations.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's the only possible explanation for all the fake Bayer designations in Trek, e.g. Alpha Onias, Beta Kupsic, Beta Lankal, Beta Magellan, Beta Niobe, Beta Portolan, Beta Renner, Beta Stromgren, Beta Thoridar, and why are there so many Betas?

Because it's written by beta Trekkies and not alpha Star Wars fans

 

[Stevil2001]

IIRC you wrote in The Buried Age that Maxis Zeta took its name from the Berengarian constellation of Maxia. Berengaria, IIRC, did not have an indigenous population, but rather one of colonists.

I think we said the same about Arigulon in A Choice of Catastrophes. If not, we definitely thought it.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

Fandom isn't a license for everything. They should've asked if it was true rather than baldly asserting it as a fact before checking. Making false claims about my work is not something I'm under any obligation to tolerate or appreciate.

Good grief you're unpleasant aren't you?

 

[Mudd]

Fandom isn't a license for everything. They should've asked if it was true rather than baldly asserting it as a fact before checking. Making false claims about my work is not something I'm under any obligation to tolerate or appreciate.

It was trivial.

Frankly, the fact that someone would read this kind of book with such care that they'd do more than skim such supporting poohbah if not skip it altogether* to get to the hypothetical "good parts" is an impressive display of respect for the work in itself.

*A well-known editor of the early paperback publishing era is reputed to have reminded his authors that the work they slaved over for months would be consumed in an hour or two by most readers and disappear from memory soon after.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Fandom isn't a license for everything. They should've asked if it was true rather than baldly asserting it as a fact before checking. Making false claims about my work is not something I'm under any obligation to tolerate or appreciate.

You being the author is not a license for you to be condescending and rude, either. They made a simple, harmless error about a fictional place with no malicious intent or damage done. You're treating them like they committed defamation or libel or spoke ill of your family. You're a member of this board, so yeah, you kind of do have to learn to tolerate people. You don't do it well. You may not think you're provoking anything because you don't resort to overt namecalling, but the snide way you speak to people can be just as bad.

I'm not the moderator of this forum so this has no bearing on how she will decide to handle this, and you are under no obligation to listen to a word I say, but man, you've got a way about you that really turns people off, including a lot of current and former fans of your work, like myself. It's not constructive. You want people to give you feedback on your work, right? Do you think you'll get anything other than vague expressions of praise if people are walking on eggshells because you jump down the throat of anyone who makes a minor mistake about an obscure and insignificant detail?

My apologies to the moderator for further derailing the thread. Although, he already declared it "pointless", so...

 

[Avro Arrow]

Good grief you're unpleasant aren't you?

You've been here almost a decade, so you must know that we're not supposed to get personal. Refuting the contents of the post is one thing, but it's supposed to be post, not poster. Please keep that in mind moving forward.

Otherwise, let's please get back to the topic of the thread, or at least the topic it evolved to about fictional constellations.

 

[Tim Thomason]

That's the only possible explanation for all the fake Bayer designations in Trek, e.g. Alpha Onias, Beta Kupsic, Beta Lankal, Beta Magellan, Beta Niobe, Beta Portolan, Beta Renner, Beta Stromgren, Beta Thoridar, and why are there so many Betas?

It could be that Alphas, for the most part, are bright enough to be visible from Earth, and generally already major parts of Earth-based constellations. Betas, and below, could be mostly newer stars not (easily) visible from Earth. Maybe they have different Earth-based names when visible via telescope or whatever, but VW Hydri was renamed Beta Stromgren when viewed from the Summer Sky of Centaurus, and that name struck, especially after it became a place of scientific import.