Politician guy? Jeffrey Mace?
Agents of SHIELD First Time Viewing
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Yeah, the director who seems to have his heart in the right place but focuses on the politics.
I'm having trouble seeing the transition from 'Lazy womanizer' to 'Vindictive sui-genocidal maniac'. This particular character development for the Australian guy makes no sense to me. I get blaming Daisy, at least.
To my way of thinking he always had an entitled, self centred yet slightly nihilistic bent. With that as a base one just needs to factor in how much he wanted terrigenesis in the first place, and how profoundly coming off the sway affect Daisy's outlook and self image. So it seems well within the scope of his character to turn self destructive.
The confident self-described ladiesman shtick is just a facade. He's a textbook insecure, self hating over compensating borderliine personality. Everything that goes wrong is always someone else's fault, he's always the innocent, wronged party in any given situation and it always serves everyone right when he lashes out. There's a reason Jiaying wouldn't let him go through the mists.
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Just got through Season 4, Ep 7. Is after ep 8 when I should watch Agent Carter and Slingshot?
Of course SHIELD was also going to have its own out of phase episode where nobody talks about how they don't fall through the floor, following in the footsteps of TNG, Stargate and lots of other shows. This episode is probably better than Next Phase but not as good as the Stargate one. But uhh, they kinda just gave an advanced AI a grimoire of evil knowledge, and that's pretty terrifying. Is she the big bad of this season?
Of course SHIELD was also going to have its own out of phase episode where nobody talks about how they don't fall through the floor, following in the footsteps of TNG, Stargate and lots of other shows. This episode is probably better than Next Phase but not as good as the Stargate one. But uhh, they kinda just gave an advanced AI a grimoire of evil knowledge, and that's pretty terrifying. Is she the big bad of this season?
Just Slingshot. You should watch Agent Carter before watching season 7.
Also, yes, Aida is the big bad of the season with the Darkhold being the thread that ties the whole season together.
Also, yes, Aida is the big bad of the season with the Darkhold being the thread that ties the whole season together.
Damn, I'd forgotten all about that. Yeah, do your thing, Disney+, or whoever!
And HBO Max, give us that Wonder Woman pilot while you're at it!
I have a video file of that, from torrents years ago. Its actually rather fun, IMO. I could picture it in the Arrowverse. I was hoping they would take from the WW pilot and the Aquaman pilot for Crisis.
This thing with Aida is the first time it's seemed they've needed to dumb down the main characters to make the story possible. Nobody at this point is slightly concerned that their android just got reprogrammed by an evil book, or even wincing at the fact they made this android feel pain. Every other time in the show so far, the heroes have been smarter than that.
I watched Slingshot. I like the way they're really taking on the questions of, we have these REALLY dangerous people out there, and even if we could trust 99% of them that other 1% could do a ton of damage, and the implications of that on civil liberties.
And this thread of the main team just kind of ignoring the rules when it comes to protecting each other.
I watched Slingshot. I like the way they're really taking on the questions of, we have these REALLY dangerous people out there, and even if we could trust 99% of them that other 1% could do a ton of damage, and the implications of that on civil liberties.
And this thread of the main team just kind of ignoring the rules when it comes to protecting each other.
Why does everyone trust Dr Radcliffe so easily now? He nearly caused the entire human population to be transformed into mindless slaves, all to save his own life. Sure, he tried to stop it the moment he was rescued, but they know all you have to do is threaten him to get him to betray all their secrets.
The entire team now replaced by robots except Fitz and Simmons.
Radcliffe is a weird bad. He’ll do all this but he’s still moral enough to go to lengths not to murder the real versions.
What is it with Wheadon shows having better seasons 2 and 3 than 1 and 4?
Radcliffe is a weird bad. He’ll do all this but he’s still moral enough to go to lengths not to murder the real versions.
What is it with Wheadon shows having better seasons 2 and 3 than 1 and 4?
Season 4 is my favourite Agents of SHIELD season...
To your last question, I wonder if it's about taking risks. After 3 seasons you start feeling overconfident and think you can do no wrong, even though Season 4 of Buffy was not up to Season 2 or 3 standards. I know for Season 4 of Shield, it was a pretty good season, but I think I just liked Season 3 slightly more.
Season 4 of Buffy also had a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that was out of the writers' control: Angel and Cordelia were spun off, Seth Green left unexpectedly, Kristine Sutherland had moved to Europe and was mostly unavailable, etc. A lot of plans had to be changed throughout the season.
The whole Initiative storyline kind of stretched believability even by Buffy standards.
My issue with this season so far is it feels disjointed. It doesn't make sense to me how much trust they gave to Radcliffe after participating in Hive's plan last season. The whole 'Daisy is bank robber' thing never made much sense to me, like they feel the need to disturb the relationships between main characters every season and are reaching farther and farther to do it. Also it doesn't make sense that somebody who's willing to do the things Radcliffe is doing would have a problem with murder, or that they waited so long after Aida read the Darkhuld to try to shut her down.
It just feels this season the conflict isn't arising as naturally as it felt in the last two seasons, and it's detracting from the cool Ghost Rider stuff and all the freedom vs security questions about inhumans.
My issue with this season so far is it feels disjointed. It doesn't make sense to me how much trust they gave to Radcliffe after participating in Hive's plan last season. The whole 'Daisy is bank robber' thing never made much sense to me, like they feel the need to disturb the relationships between main characters every season and are reaching farther and farther to do it. Also it doesn't make sense that somebody who's willing to do the things Radcliffe is doing would have a problem with murder, or that they waited so long after Aida read the Darkhuld to try to shut her down.
It just feels this season the conflict isn't arising as naturally as it felt in the last two seasons, and it's detracting from the cool Ghost Rider stuff and all the freedom vs security questions about inhumans.
I just watched the first two episodes inside the simulation. I really like this as a plot device to explore what the same characters would have done if you changed their circumstances. And having the premise be 'May saves girl, girl gets murdery, authoritarian racism fully embraced'.
And those writers really, REALLY love Grant Ward. Not clear yet if he still was saved by Garrett in this timeline, but either way his loyalty to Garrett never created a moral conflict with Skye.
Weird about Fitz. May being with Hydra makes sense in this timeline because she blames herself for the killings. But Fitz, this implies he has no actual moral compass and just conforms to whatever woman he has a crush on. Assuming he escapes this it'll be harder to like him when he's back to himself.
And those writers really, REALLY love Grant Ward. Not clear yet if he still was saved by Garrett in this timeline, but either way his loyalty to Garrett never created a moral conflict with Skye.
Weird about Fitz. May being with Hydra makes sense in this timeline because she blames herself for the killings. But Fitz, this implies he has no actual moral compass and just conforms to whatever woman he has a crush on. Assuming he escapes this it'll be harder to like him when he's back to himself.
For me, the Ward character got derailed when the show switches gears into the "ancient alien origins of Hydra" story, which I frankly wasn't a huge fan of. I was hoping for a more direct showdown between Ward's new lean and mean Hydra and Coulson's streamlined SHIELD.
The funny thing is as much as I loathed Ward throughout the show, his role during the Simulation is by far my favorite version of him and was actually enjoyable.
I don't remember when they went into it (clearly, not as early as I would've assumed), but Fitz's turn to evil long predates his association with Madame Hydra. I do remember that the thing Fitz got in the Framework that was supposed to make him happy but backfired horribly was seeded earlier in the season.
It was being raised by his father, right?
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