After all this time....

[Nerys Myk]

If that's the case why announce it in the "TOS" forum? Seems more like a "General Trek" topic topic to me. Sounds as if you're fishing for something.

 

[Lord Garth]

You're reading more into it then it is. Forums are communities. When I moderated here, I viewed it as a community. Before I moderated here, I viewed it as a community too. I still think of it as a community, even if I'm around here far less than I used to be.

The DS9 Forum is a community, ENT is a community, VOY is a community. All the forums have their own individual community that is distinct from the board overall.

Why the need to take a snipe at Warped9 just because you can? I'm not directing this question to anyone specific, just in general. If it were me starting a thread in here saying "After 15 years, I need to take a break from TOS" I guarantee you that it wouldn't be getting the same responses. But because it's Warped9, I guess it's okay to go after him.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Communities are made up of individuals. Individuals establish reputations with in the community. Some good. Some bad. So you starting a thread will be judged by its content and your reputation in the community. Same for me, Warped9 and any one else. History can't easily be ignored. If my neighbor is the loudmouth jerk in my community or the block parent the rest of the community will look to what they say based on past experience. Some times playing to the "home crowd" pays off. Some time the "home crowd" knows the player all too well.

 

[Mallory]

I'm not quite sure where this is going, but it's probably not a good place and neither is it on topic. Post, not poster.

 

[Lord Garth]

I wasn't really going anywhere beyond the earlier post. I had a point I thought was valid, wanted to voice it, and that was that.

For the Star Trek-y portion of the topic, just because the TOS characters are being used in the next movie doesn't mean it's going to be a regurgitation. To think so is the same as thinking ST I-VI are regurgitations of each other for having the same characters.

The above opinion means I disagree with Warped9 but I'm not going to force the issue. In part because I don't want to and in part because I know very little about the movie so I have nothing hard to argue.

 

[Warped9]

Lord Garth said:
You're reading more into it then it is. Forums are communities. When I moderated here, I viewed it as a community. Before I moderated here, I viewed it as a community too. I still think of it as a community, even if I'm around here far less than I used to be.

The DS9 Forum is a community, ENT is a community, VOY is a community. All the forums have their own individual community that is distinct from the board overall.

Why the need to take a snipe at Warped9 just because you can? I'm not directing this question to anyone specific, just in general. If it were me starting a thread in here saying "After 15 years, I need to take a break from TOS" I guarantee you that it wouldn't be getting the same responses. But because it's Warped9, I guess it's okay to go after him.

I feel more at home in the TOS "community." Also I'm not likely to agree with much said in the other forums even though occasionally I've made the odd posts there.

I have nothing but admiration and respect for TOS--and even the less than stellar parts often have something redeemable. Overall it is my absolute favourite tv series ever. But the time has come for something new to come along and build upon the best of what made TOS so good. TOS was a significant leap forward for sf in the visual medium and since then progress has been incremental at best. That isn't to say there hasn't been enjoyable material, but nothing since has had anything remotely resembling the ambition and creativity TOS had.

This has happened in other genres. Superheroes, by and large, languished in mostly campy mediocrity for the longest time. Not since the George Reeves '50s era The Adventures of Superman had superheroes really been done right. I should specify here that I mean in the live-action medium. The early to mid '90s did give us some damned decent Batman and Superman in animated form. Then at the dawn of the 21st century we got a whiff of good with The X-Men and then the leap forward with Sam Raimi's take on Spider-Man. And now Raimi is 3 for 3 with Spidey (even though Spidey 3 isn't quite as good as 1 and 2).

 

[Noname Given]

Warped9 said:

RAMA said:

Trekwatcher said:

Warped9 said:
I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm tired of Trek. But I have to say I've near had my fill.

I will always have a great love and respect for Star Trek TOS as well as TMP and TAS and the handful of decent to good episodes TNG and early DS9 served up. But even with that my interest level has really dipped for whatever else Paramount may serve up in the forseeable future.

Near everything we've gotten in the past twenty plus years as well as what I hear forthcoming has really soured me on the notion that a Star Trek I could really get behind. As far as I'm concerned the best is long past and will never be resurrected--certainly not by those currently in charge. The only way I could see myself getting even mildly intrigued would be if something genuinely new would be done, something that looked forward rather than back.

And since that isn't likely in the forseeable future then I can only hope that some honestly new and refreshing SF project comes out of left field. Something that may even play with some of TOS' best concepts and reinvigorates them into something exciting.

I love TOS, but the future isn't in regurgitating the surface trappings of the past even if it's from the very best Trek ever done.

I want the things that made TOS great to drive something new. Something genuinely ambitious and creative and not just rehashing.

I can only hope.

It is easy to get overwhelmed with it all. Give it a rest for a few years. One day, if you find yourself thinking of a certain episode or scene and you want to pull that tape/disc out of our collection and watch it again, then that is great. Trek is supposed to be fun. If it is no fun anymore, just stop. If you get interested again, great. If not, you had a good run with it.

He's not tired of "Trek" , he's tired of watching the same 80 episodes and one movie over and over and over again.....and it took him what....40 years?

RAMA

Shows what you know. Actually whenever I come accross a TOS episode I quite often easily hang in and watch it through to the end.

Perhaps I should clarify my terms. Whenever I refer to "Star Trek" I mean solely TOS. Most everything after '79 is just "Trek," generic stuff that only occasionally resonated with what made TOS good.

I'm not tired of Star Trek. I'm tired of "Trek."

So, in other words (and as others have said) - nothing new here.

 

[Campe]

Look, Warped9, I haven't agreed with a lot of things you've posted in the past, but to a point I agree with you here. I have liked modern Trek, but in general I'm tired of what we have. That doesn't just include the new stuff, it's all of it. Honestly, I'm kinda bored. I've been posting a lot less in the last few years and when I do post, its seemingly very rare that its in any Trek forum. I am, however, excited about Abrams' view on the series and hope he delivers his promises.

I don't necessarily always agree with things you say or even the way you go about saying things, but in this case I agree with the sentiment... to a point.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Warped9,

Your personal Trek may have began in 1964 and ended in 1979, but mine began in 1964 and ended in 1991 (theatrically). From the television end of things, my personal Trek ended in 1988.

 

[Warped9]

Although I still find TOS good even measured against much of today's fare I will also say that there is a downside to familiarity. I'm so familiar with what TOS has done and I still admire and respect it, but I dearly wish to see something new that builds on TOS' strengths.

 

[Saul]

UWC Defiance said:
I'm not tired of "Star Trek," but I'm tired of people complaining about it and nitpicking it and fussing about what ought to be "considered real 'Star Trek'" and other meaningless, tedious crap like that.

Nobody is forcing you to read what other people have to say. I think you miss the point of what a Forum and the internet is.

For someone who hates people complaining you never seem to run out of things to complain about when it comes to the fans.

 

[Excelsius]

Hey, guys, seems to me that it's natural for people's interests to fluctuate through the years. It's like with model trains -- some people get more interested in it again as they grow older. Maybe it's for nostalgia's sake, maybe it's something else, but you get the idea. It's natural, and it's okay.