After all this time....

[Warped9]

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm tired of Trek. But I have to say I've near had my fill.

I will always have a great love and respect for Star Trek TOS as well as TMP and TAS and the handful of decent to good episodes TNG and early DS9 served up. But even with that my interest level has really dipped for whatever else Paramount may serve up in the forseeable future.

Near everything we've gotten in the past twenty plus years as well as what I hear forthcoming has really soured me on the notion that a Star Trek I could really get behind. As far as I'm concerned the best is long past and will never be resurrected--certainly not by those currently in charge. The only way I could see myself getting even mildly intrigued would be if something genuinely new would be done, something that looked forward rather than back.

And since that isn't likely in the forseeable future then I can only hope that some honestly new and refreshing SF project comes out of left field. Something that may even play with some of TOS' best concepts and reinvigorates them into something exciting.

I love TOS, but the future isn't in regurgitating the surface trappings of the past even if it's from the very best Trek ever done.

I want the things that made TOS great to drive something new. Something genuinely ambitious and creative and not just rehashing.

I can only hope.

 

[Shatmandu]

Warped9 said:
I can only hope.

Write your own.

Post a link here.

We'll tell you what we think.

Joe, with nacelle caps lighting the way

 

[Neopeius]

Warped9 said:


I want the things that made TOS great to drive something new. Something genuinely ambitious and creative and not just rehashing.

So get off your butt and make it. If you don't like the Trek other people are turning out, make your own.

Case in point:

I don't like post-TAS Trek. I've tried it, I think it's not very good. On the other hand, I enjoy Starfleet Battles, at least the original game. About twelve years ago, my brother and I made a sort of hybrid RPG/wargame out of it such that a great number of people could play.

As a result, we generated a lot of very interesting stories, races, scenarios, technologies, etc. It's all unique, it's all Trek, and we made it ourselves.


My page

Of course, I'm not saying you need to play Starfleet Battles (though if you'd like to, our version plays well over the phone ^_^), but there are lots of creative options. We once considered making our own TAS episodes using scenes from the original and photoshop. There's fan fiction and art and a host of other creative outlets.

Trek lives if you want it to.

 

[Warped9]

Shatmandu said:

Warped9 said:
I can only hope.

Write your own.

Post a link here.

We'll tell you what we think.

Joe, with nacelle caps lighting the way

Actually I am working on some of my own projects, but I'm not yet ready to lay them out fully for wide spread scrutiny.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Warped9 said:
I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm tired of Trek. But I have to say I've near had my fill.

This is news?

 

[Kail]

Neopeius said:
We once considered making our own TAS episodes using scenes from the original

Hey, that's a neat idea, I should try that.

 

[Vagabond]

I enjoy Starfleet Battles, at least the original game.

For a lite ruleset that's a lot more Star Trek in feel you might try this:
http://www.rpgnow.com/default.php?manufacturers_id=609

 

[Mallory]

I hope the original post wasn't some kind of obtuse farewell Warped9 because while many may disagree with your views, your's is still a valid viewpoint and this forum would be a poorer place without it.

 

[Neopeius]

Kail said:

Neopeius said:
We once considered making our own TAS episodes using scenes from the original

Hey, that's a neat idea, I should try that.

Glad to be of inspiration!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Neopeius said:
Glad to be of inspiration!

You're not. Kail's been doing it for years. Check his smiley.

 

[Proximity_Phaser]

I'm not tired of TOS, but I do take a break every once in awhile...as to the future, I'm willing to let what comes speak for itself, rather than prejudge it.

I hope that the new TOS flick is really good, of course, but I'm also prepared for a cinematic version of "Legacy"...

 

[Neopeius]

Therin of Andor said:

Neopeius said:
Glad to be of inspiration!

You're not. Kail's been doing it for years. Check his smiley.

Well.. okay then!

 

[Phantassm]

I think a lot of fans make star trek much too important in their lives. Sure, I like star trek but I don't live and breathe the stuff. There are many more things-much more important things than a tv show.

 

[Kail]

Neopeius said:

Therin of Andor said:

Neopeius said:
Glad to be of inspiration!

You're not. Kail's been doing it for years. Check his smiley.

Well.. okay then!

plug, plug

 

[Warped9]

Mallory said:
I hope the original post wasn't some kind of obtuse farewell Warped9 because while many may disagree with your views, your's is still a valid viewpoint and this forum would be a poorer place without it.

No, it's not a "goodbye." but I have been posting a lot less than before, primarily because I find the same subjects being covered again and again--(and how often can one stand repeating themselves?)--and I'm getting more involved in my own non-Trek projects.

 

[Good Will Riker]

STAR TREK: 1964-1979

Lets get back to space adventure, strange new worlds and the final frontier... Contemporary Trek has failed.

That's my take on it as well, except it is from 1964-1990.

"The Cage" - TNG's "Family"

I have very little opinion on what came after that, but it definitely was not the Star Trek that I grew up with. With the possible exception of "All Good Things..." as well as Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Trek lost its way after 1990. It was never the same ever again.

Modern Trek is less about space exploration and the exploration of ideas/issues, but rather more about "crisis of the week" and technobabble solutions. And more cynical than ever in milking $$$$ away from us.

 

[Spider]

Warped9 said:

Mallory said:
I hope the original post wasn't some kind of obtuse farewell Warped9 because while many may disagree with your views, your's is still a valid viewpoint and this forum would be a poorer place without it.

No, it's not a "goodbye." but I have been posting a lot less than before, primarily because I find the same subjects being covered again and again--(and how often can one stand repeating themselves?)--and I'm getting more involved in my own non-Trek projects.

It's good that it's not a good bye, as I echo what Mallory said. I love your hard line defense of Star Trek, even if it's unsettling at times.

But I also grow tired of Star Trek myself. The only two shows I've ever really enjoyed anyway was TOS and TNG, and I've seen all my favorite episodes so many times I'm not sure I can sit through them again any time soon. I will, however, always revisit some of the better episodes again, I always do. Especially on bad TV nights. I just don't enjoy most of what's on TV these days.

 

[Warped9]

I've always felt there was a lot more to be done with TOS' ideas, but sadly I feel for the most part that TPTB didn't go in that direction. Rather I feel TOS' ideas were diluted and ursurped into "touchy-feely" drivel. Drama seemed almost entirely dependent on ship battles and tensely uttered techno-b.s. rather than a conflict of ideas. And appreciated humour became almost wholly nonexistent except for chances to laugh at the characters rather than with them.

Personally I feel Trek is now viewed and defined near totally through the contemporary material which I believe has strayed greatly from what made TOS so good. It's now just "Trek," a clutch of cliches as opposed to genuine Star Trek as we knew it.

Thats why I feel TOS' great concepts could now be better served through original non-Trek work rather than rehashed and misunderstood Trek material.

 

[Mallory]

Warped9 said:
Thats why I feel TOS' great concepts could now be better served through original non-Trek work rather than rehashed and misunderstood Trek material.

And that's certainly not a bad idea at all. Many of the themes in Trek are universal and so the concepts are easily transported to a different environment.

 

[Excelsius]

It's only human to question even the best of what is offered. As Spock said, even after traveling the length of the universe and assimilating -- literally -- every bit of knowledge it found in existence, V'Ger questioned whether this was all there is.

Even the best of literature, considered in the most general sense, is only a starting point for action in our own lives. At some point fiction must end, and nonfiction must begin.