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"Affliction" and "Divergence": My thoughts

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Just popped in the DVD and rewatched these two episode. It's been a while since I saw them and wanted to see how they hold up. The Romulan drone arc (the best of season 4's arcs in my opinion) would be a tough act for anything that follows, but this one, I though held up pretty well.

-Trip transferring to Columbia actually makes sense. You'd WANT at least a couple of crew members with experience on the only other NX class ship when you launch the second. Heck, you'd think Starfleet would've ORDERED Trip to transfer to Columbia.

-I think viewers always like seeing other captains and having Trip interact with Captain Hernandez is she's actually a CAPTAIN here, rather than just Archer's old girlfriend, as she was in "Home". I didn't see or hear anything pertaining to a first officer on Columbia, who nominally would've been Trip's immediate superior, in fact I would've liked any other senior officers, but I suppose that would've been unnecessary in an already crowded story.

-Speaking of the Columbia crew, we Seth MacFarlane himself in a little cameo as a Columbia engineer who's sort of unaccustomed to the way Trip runs engineering. I don't have any problem with him appearing on the show itself, but the problem with using him in this way is he's already had him play what is presumably the same character in a season 3 episode ("Damage" or "The Forgotten", I think), as an engineer on Enterprise, so it makes no sense for him to be so unfamiliar with how Trip operates.

-Having Malcolm be a Section 31 operative was an interesting development. I'd just assumed that, like the Dominion, Section 31 would just be some element pretty much confined to Deep Space Nine episode, though it's funny that they always seem to recruit the British characters. I don't think we ever got a clear picture on why Harris had such a hold on Malcolm, to the extent that he could make him sabotage their investigation of Phlox's abduction. It's a bit further than Riker withholding information in "The Pegasus". It is nice that, much like the various actors who played the Xindi, Eric Pierpoint, who's been playing various guest roles on various Trek series finally gets a recurring role here. I'm sure we would've seen more of him had there been a season 5.

-In retrospect, Phlox was starting to approach Travis territory in terms of being underused at this point in the series, so it was nice to have something for him to do besides just being fascinating by humans and their food.

-Regarding our Klingon guest stars here, we have a couple of good ones here. The late James Avery, the man who gave us both Uncle Phil and Shredder, is good here a grumpy Klingon general (he comes off a bit more likeable in the second episode, when he shows compassion for this subordinates and has Admiral Krell to cover the role of the episode's nastiest Klingon).

And of course we have John Schuck as Antaak, the Klingon scientist unwittingly responsible for this whole plague debacle. Schuck of course was the Klingon Ambassador in a couple of the original movies, (the one who ironically says "there will be no peace as long as Kirk lives!") He's done a couple of other Trek guest spots since then, but playing a Klingon is where he's best used. I've said more than once that playing a Klingon is all about the voice. You need a distinctive theatrical voice to play a memorable Klingon (think of people like Michael Ansara, Robert O'Reilly, J.G. Hertzler, and Kevin Conway). Schuck also gives us a very different Klingon here, in the same spirit of the line in "Judgment" about not all Klingons being soldiers. I think Antaak might be the only Klingon I've ever seen who NEVER appears aggressive or intimidating. He's courteous, he's humble, he never so much as raises his voice! It's still a bit strange to see a Klingon so different (even the Klingon advocate in "Judgment" seemed more fierce than this) but nice nonetheless to see some diversity in Klingons, both in profession and temperament.

-Down to the backbone of this story, it's clearly meant to offer an in-universe explanation for the smooth-headed Klingons of the original series. I'm not sure if this was really necessary (how about an explanation for why the Trill on TNG are so different from DS9, which goes far beyond simple appearance?), but to the episode's credit's it's not quite as convoluted as I remember it. You can buy Worf telling his crewmates a couple of centuries later that this is something they wouldn't discuss with outsiders.

-As for the plague, it's kind of hard to wrap my head around the idea of a plague spreading from planet to planet, threatening the Klingons so severely, unless it had a long, dormant period with no symptoms (which it apparently didn't). Separated by the vacuum of space, you'd think quarantining a ship or planet wouldn't be that hard.

-So the Klingon augments raid Enterprise and sabotage the systems. They also shoot one or two people and have their ship fire on the section where a couple of MACO's are located. It's not totally clear if they actually killed anyone, but Klingons aren't known for using stun setting, and considering they destroyed the Rigellian ship and considering their sabotage would've killed everyone on board, it doesn't seem likely the Klingons would've pulled their punches here. The problem is it's never really addressed later. You never have Archer say anything about it, not even when he comes face to face with the people who sent them after his ship.

-Speaking of the raid, we got yet another Klingon design here with the augments' ship. It's another nice-looking ship that's clearly a fore-bearer to the 23rd/24th century bird of prey. Eaglemoss is supposed to release that one in a couple of months. I'm not sure why they took the time and money to design a new ship from scratch (we never did get to see the Raptor more than once, for example), but it's nice to see.

-Krell's a jerk, isn't he? It's also weird hearing them talk about a Klingon admiral when that rank's never been attributed to the Klingons before, and we've had generals (i.e. Martok) commanding ships and fleets before. So what exactly is the difference between a Klingon general and admiral anyway? (They probably only used it because the episode HAD a Klingon general and they wanted to distinguish the two). Also a weird fact: Krell, who tries to destroy Qu'vat colony, is played by actor Wayne Grace, who appeared in the forgettable TNG episode "Aquiel", playing a Klingon governor, whose jurisdiction included the ship IKS Qu'vat.

-Trip climbing in between ships was a cool moment, even if it was more just a neat action moment than anything substantial. You'd think at those speeds, the tether being ripped away would be a lot more violent.

-This is sort of addressing later episodes (by which I mean really just the episode following this one), but I actually wish they'd kept Trip on Columbia a bit longer. It would've been interesting seeing him in a different environment, and perhaps interact with a different crew (remember on "The Office", when Jim transferred to Stamford for a while?). Yeah, Kelby was kind of a crappy engineer, but I still feel a bit bad for him that Trip assured him he wasn't taking his job and then immediately did just that. He also looks like kind of a jerk for ditching the Columbia crew so soon after launch.

-Speaking of Columbia, I get that they wanted to make her a bit different than Enterprise both in interior and exterior, but those columns on the bridge felt like they were just in the way. (Plus one of them was blocking the dedication plaque!) That said, it would've been nice to have another starship out there, had season 5 happened. It would've been nice to have someone you can call to lend a hand a la Sulu and the Excelsior in Star Trek VI.

-Sidenote: I actually met Kristin Bauer, who plays the female augment here, on a movie set a while back, though I didn't know that was her in the episode. I actually knew her from an episode of "Cold Case". I suppose most people know her from "True Blood", which I was never a fan of.

-I do NOT buy Archer growing forehead ridges that quick. (Where is that bone/muscle mass coming from?) Fun moment though. Speaking of ridges, I guess we assume the Klingons are too proud have cosmetic ridges surgically added. It would've been interesting, too, to see if there was some conflict that grew between ridged Klingons and non-ridged ones. Guess we'll have to wonder...

All in all, an interesting installment of the fourth season, that, if nothing else, answered an odd question. I liked it.
 
I don't think we ever got a clear picture on why Harris had such a hold on Malcolm, to the extent that he could make him sabotage their investigation of Phlox's abduction. It's a bit further than Riker withholding information in "The Pegasus".
Malcolm is all about duty and loyalty, of course, and Harris tells him "You made a commitment to us long before you joined the Enterprise." He also says "There's a job that needs doing, Lieutenant, and it may be the only way to save your friend's [i.e. Phlox's] life."

-As for the plague, it's kind of hard to wrap my head around the idea of a plague spreading from planet to planet, threatening the Klingons so severely, unless it had a long, dormant period with no symptoms (which it apparently didn't). Separated by the vacuum of space, you'd think quarantining a ship or planet wouldn't be that hard.
I agree, this is something that struck me as odd during the episode. I guess it could be argued that in the future completely quarantining a planet would be as difficult as quarantining a whole country today.

-So the Klingon augments raid Enterprise and sabotage the systems. ... The problem is it's never really addressed later. You never have Archer say anything about it, not even when he comes face to face with the people who sent them after his ship.
It's been a while since I've seen this. When did Archer discover the raiders were Klingons?

It's also weird hearing them talk about a Klingon admiral when that rank's never been attributed to the Klingons before, and we've had generals (i.e. Martok) commanding ships and fleets before. So what exactly is the difference between a Klingon general and admiral anyway?
Good point. Perhaps a Klingon admiral is superior to a general?

-Trip climbing in between ships was a cool moment, even if it was more just a neat action moment than anything substantial. You'd think at those speeds, the tether being ripped away would be a lot more violent.
Highly unrealistic, but fun.
 
It is a huge asset that a story which could potentially have been totally ridiculous fanwank actually told us something new (NuTrek, I am looking at you) about the Klingons while playing these 'in-universe explanation for something that had a real-world reason' (let's not forget that the story did not merely explain the physical but also the psychological difference between the smooth and crunchy Klingons) games.
It was also about the long-lasting implications of humankind's extreme use of genetics (Phlox pointed out that his people use genetics but more moderately) and further illustrates why humankind is so afraid of it in the future (Bashir stories) respectively went from one extreme to the other (virtually changing its species to not even mildy using genetic manipulation at all). In this respect it is similar to the two Khan stories, blasts from the pasts that remind humankind of a grave mistake.

About Reed, isn't it obvious? The guy probably made an oath so S31 that binds him more to this intelligence service than to "Starfleet Proper". It is always like that with intelligence operatives. And thankfully the show pointed out that Malcolm made a mistake and sided in the end with the good guys, that intelligence services are evil per design as they do not have to obey laws.
 
A very corny, completely unnecessary and incredibly fanwanky 2-parter, but a lot of fun. The Speed homage ("If we drop below warp 5, we'll explode!") and space walk had me in stitches. And having missed the teaser on my first viewing and not read any synopsis, when Enterprise was boarded by TOS-style Klingons, I stood up and cheered.:)
 
A very corny, completely unnecessary and incredibly fanwanky 2-parter, but a lot of fun.
I have a very simple question: where is the fanwank? This obviously depends on your definition of fanwank.

For me it is using familiar stuff without adding anything new.
The obvious examples are the last three Trek movies, all bad TWOK copies that did not just add nothing new but sometimes even ignored key elements of what they copied (ST09 vs. Trek's notion that revenge is bad). In Enterprise one example from the 4th season would be the Gorn, he is just there for the sake of it. The Tholians on the other hand are more tricky as we do see more than just the face. Is this something significantly new? No idea.

Now in Affliction/Divergence we have a multi-layered story about Klingons and Augments. I see the very opposite of a copy and paste job,
 
A very corny, completely unnecessary and incredibly fanwanky 2-parter, but a lot of fun.
I have a very simple question: where is the fanwank? This obviously depends on your definition of fanwank.

For me it is using familiar stuff without adding anything new.
The obvious examples are the last three Trek movies, all bad TWOK copies that did not just add nothing new but sometimes even ignored key elements of what they copied (ST09 vs. Trek's notion that revenge is bad). In Enterprise one example from the 4th season would be the Gorn, he is just there for the sake of it. The Tholians on the other hand are more tricky as we do see more than just the face. Is this something significantly new? No idea.

Now in Affliction/Divergence we have a multi-layered story about Klingons and Augments. I see the very opposite of a copy and paste job,

Definition of "fanwank" can be found here .

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the latest movies, I found plenty new to enjoy in them and thought them much more than Wrath of Khan clones (but that's for another forum, me thinks)
 
A very corny, completely unnecessary and incredibly fanwanky 2-parter, but a lot of fun.
I have a very simple question: where is the fanwank? This obviously depends on your definition of fanwank.

For me it is using familiar stuff without adding anything new.
The obvious examples are the last three Trek movies, all bad TWOK copies that did not just add nothing new but sometimes even ignored key elements of what they copied (ST09 vs. Trek's notion that revenge is bad). In Enterprise one example from the 4th season would be the Gorn, he is just there for the sake of it. The Tholians on the other hand are more tricky as we do see more than just the face. Is this something significantly new? No idea.

Now in Affliction/Divergence we have a multi-layered story about Klingons and Augments. I see the very opposite of a copy and paste job,

Definition of "fanwank" can be found here .

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the latest movies, I found plenty new to enjoy in them and thought them much more than Wrath of Khan clones (but that's for another forum, me thinks)
OK, so your definition is that fanwank is about in-universe continuity-weaving which is a more neutral in terms of judgement than my copy-and-paste definition.

Then Affliction/Divergence is indeed fanwank but so is ST09.
 
Oh, none of it. But this really felt like the answer to the question no-one asked:lol:

I'd say anyone who saw that episode of DS9 asked that question! If you're going to blame anything, that episode is the source.

Affliction/Divergence (can we abbreviate it to A/D?) is useful as an answer for those people who say that the change in Klingon appearance is a weakness of the franchise (it's certainly better than doing a George Lucas and "fixing" the old episodes with CGI).

It's also interesting for all the things it suggests about Klingon culture and history:
Was there a cast system dividing augments from normals? Did the old houses rise and fall based on this? Was plastic surgery a booming business during TOS times? The cure was presumably found between TOS and TMP - were any TOS characters involved? What kind of effects did this have on Klingon culture in the long term, even after a cure was found?

:klingon:
 
OK, so your definition is that fanwank is about in-universe continuity-weaving which is a more neutral in terms of judgement than my copy-and-paste definition.

Then Affliction/Divergence is indeed fanwank but so is ST09.
Surely ST'09 isn't, since it exists to subvert the established continuity? No Tarsus IV, or Kirk on the Farragut, or Garry Mitchell etc.

Oh, none of it. But this really felt like the answer to the question no-one asked:lol:

I'd say anyone who saw that episode of DS9 asked that question! If you're going to blame anything, that episode is the source.
I kinds get that, but I saw it as a gag rather than a serious question.
 
^ Except the changes are optional, thankfully.

Well, there's no way they'd go back and digitally add ridges to every single Klingon, frame-by-frame. Can you imagine the cost of doing that?

That's not to say I'm opposed to ALL the changes made to either Star Trek or Star Wars. Yes, the "Greedo shooting first" bit a mess, but the new shots of the X-Wings dogfighting over the surface of the Death Star are far more impressive. I also like the celebrations across the different planets at the end of "Return of the Jedi" and the song they play at the end is far more appropriate to end the trilogy with than that silly Ewok song they had before.

On Star Trek's side, the Connie Enterprise looks amazingly graceful when zipping around the Planet Killer in "The Doomsday Machine", almost like a figure skater. (The episode also corrects the scale discrepancy between the Planet Killer, the shuttle, and the Constellation). It's also nice to finally see the Antares in "Charlie X", and we have some much more appropriate designs for the Woden and the Aurora, rather than just reusing the Botany Bay and the Tholian ship.

(I admit, it would be kind of fun to see a cut of "Trouble With Tribbles" with the DS9 crew lurking around in the background and O'Brien being questioned by Kirk, but I suppose that would be confusing as hell for those who don't get it). :lol:
 
I didn't see or hear anything pertaining to a first officer on Columbia, who nominally would've been Trip's immediate superior
I've come to the opinion that originally Trip was going to be the Enterprise's first officer, so that might be the norm for a NX starship. Once Trip became the Columbia's senior engineer, he effectively became the ship's first officer.

We never heard of a officer that Enterprise left on Earth who was going to be the ship's first officer. While having the senior engineer be first officer doesn't make the most sense, neither does the position going to a visiting member of the Vulcan security ministry.
 
I didn't see or hear anything pertaining to a first officer on Columbia, who nominally would've been Trip's immediate superior
I've come to the opinion that originally Trip was going to be the Enterprise's first officer, so that might be the norm for a NX starship. Once Trip became the Columbia's senior engineer, he effectively became the ship's first officer.

We never heard of a officer that Enterprise left on Earth who was going to be the ship's first officer. While having the senior engineer be first officer doesn't make the most sense, neither does the position going to a visiting member of the Vulcan security ministry.

That doesn't seem very practical. The Chief Engineer is already the head of a department. To be first officer would mean running his own department and also having OTHER departments report to him, which isn't very practical. I've never heard of navies doing this, nor cruise ships. It's one thing for a first officer to have some specific duties, such as science officer (Spock, T'Pol) or communications officer (as Janice Rand may or may not have been on the Excelsior), but having your first officer running things down in engineering, instead of being on the bridge, doesn't really work. Also, he's have to either constantly leave his post to get reports from other departments or have a bunch of non-engineering people strolling into engineering, where they don't really belong and would just be in the way, to give him reports.

It doesn't really work.
 
Okay, then who was the intended first officer at the very beginning of Broken Bow, if not Trip. Who was it supposed to be?

Remember, the NX-01 only had 80 some people abroad, how many departments do you think there were anyway, three maybe four?

T'Pol didn't seem to preform any of the traditional duties of a executive officer, regardless of being second in command. It's possible that Archer was largely his own exec, taking care of the ship's limited administration personally.
 
Okay, then who was the intended first officer at the very beginning of Broken Bow, if not Trip. Who was it supposed to be?

Remember, the NX-01 only had 80 some people abroad, how many departments do you think there were anyway, three maybe four?

T'Pol didn't seem to preform any of the traditional duties of a executive officer, regardless of being second in command. It's possible that Archer was largely his own exec, taking care of the ship's limited administration personally.

I doubt the writers though that through. It's possible that Archer intended to be more "hands-on" than the typical captain and be his own XO (much in the way that JFK tried to run his administration without a White House chief of staff).

It is worth noting that Admiral Leonard said Archer hasn't yet selected a medical officer, but said nothing about a first officer.

But given how overworked Trip was often depicted as being, piling on responsibilities like that doesn't seem like a good idea.
 
Okay, then who was the intended first officer at the very beginning of Broken Bow, if not Trip. Who was it supposed to be?

Remember, the NX-01 only had 80 some people abroad, how many departments do you think there were anyway, three maybe four?

T'Pol didn't seem to preform any of the traditional duties of a executive officer, regardless of being second in command. It's possible that Archer was largely his own exec, taking care of the ship's limited administration personally.

I doubt the writers though that through. It's possible that Archer intended to be more "hands-on" than the typical captain and be his own XO (much in the way that JFK tried to run his administration without a White House chief of staff).

It is worth noting that Admiral Leonard said Archer hasn't yet selected a medical officer, but said nothing about a first officer.

But given how overworked Trip was often depicted as being, piling on responsibilities like that doesn't seem like a good idea.

Good point on the fact that a medical officer had not yet been selected. My thoughts are that a first officer (or "executive officer") had not yet been finalized either. With events transpiring so quickly during Broken Bow, Archer quickly approached Phlox to get himself a medical officer. Starfleet Command and the High Command probably came to the conclusion at that time to assign T'Pol as science officer/first officer, which would negate any need to fill that position with a Starfleet officer.

With that being said, and having had military experience, I'm sure that there was probably a "short list" of potential officers to fill the position of XO aboard the FIRST warp 5, deep space , vessel. And I think that if I were in line to be promoted (or transferred) to that position, I'd be pretty pissed to have had that position taken from me because of "politics".;)
 
Okay, then who was the intended first officer at the very beginning of Broken Bow, if not Trip. Who was it supposed to be?

It was going to be Travis! He had great expectations... But then settled for the helmsman position rather than being booted from the mission entirely.

The helmsman who lost his job to Travis joined Terra Prime, and spent most of the next four years mailing poo to the Vulcan embassy.
 
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