Admiral Archer?

[Mr. Crane]

Perhaps, shortly after the events in the Star Trek: Enterprise series, Archer and Porthos were accidently pulled through a time rift of some kind (is Daniels still around), and ended up in the mid-23rd century? This would explain why Archer and his beagle are still around - I don't buy that he would be like 150 years old!

... or maybe only Porthos came through a time portal, and became a sort of mascot at the academy.

After all, Scotty never says that it was actually "Admiral Archer" that marooned him in this duty on the Vega ice planet... maybe another admiral took offense to the loss of the canine ...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

For whatever you think it's worth, Abrams said it WAS the same John Archer as in Enterprise.

 

[miraclefan]

For whatever you think it's worth, Abrams said it WAS the same John Archer as in Enterprise.

Just more proof ENTERPRISE is CANON!

 

[KingstonTrekker]

Can't find the article link right now...but the film's writers indicated in a recent interview that the "Admirial Archer" mentioned onscreen is in fact the same character from Enterprise. However, they did state that the beagle in Star Trek 09 would be a different beagle than Porthos.

 

[M'Sharak]

Can't find the article link right now...but the film's writers indicated in a recent interview that the "Admirial Archer" mentioned onscreen is in fact the same character from Enterprise. However, they did state that the beagle in Star Trek 09 would be a different beagle than Porthos.

From here (May 22 Q&A):

Sarek: Is the “Admiral Archer” mentioned in the film intended to be Johnathan Archer from Enterprise? If so, he would be over a hundred years old Does the Enterprise timeline exist in this new reality?
BobOrci: yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.

There's nothing about Porthos in this one, but even a spectacular increase in beagle life expectancy wouldn't be enough to explain it being anything but a different beagle which failed to rematerialize at the end of Scotty's experimental procedure.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

And the Beagle would be 120!

Dog years conversion

 

[xortex]

I would like to see a jonathen Archer Hologram as an old man who contradicts himself as a young man five years hence.

 

[USS Excelsior]

I think they should have used a better more obvious reference than some far fetched one where you're not sure if it's the right person or not.

Unless that was the idea, to keep us forever speculating. Unless Star Trek 12 has a flashback of it or something.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I think they should have used a better more obvious reference than some far fetched one where you're not sure if it's the right person or not.

Unless that was the idea, to keep us forever speculating. Unless Star Trek 12 has a flashback of it or something.

I don't think it could be more clear that they are talking about the Archer we all know from Enterprise.
The writers even say it in interviews for god's sake.

But Trek fans being...well Trek fans they just ignore the obvious and the facts and go on wild geese chases.
This is like the "is the ship under construction really the Enterprise or another ship" stupid argument all over again. At least thank god we got a peek at the registry number on that one.

 

[Guartho]

If you're in the service, you do not refer to any president, current or former, by their military rank. Not ever. It would be a horrible breach of military protocol. You call them "Mister/Madam President," period.

That depends on what the prevailing tradition of the time is. In the Boy Scouts for instance (which Starfleet has more in common with than it does the military sometimes) the president of the United States is the honorary president of the Boy Scouts as well. He's also commonly called the Chief Scout Executive of the US. It would not be out of place for a Scouter to refer to Chief Obama.

If Starfleet considers the president of the Federation to be the "Federation Admiral" or the "Admiral of Starfleet," or some other fun tradition like that it would be entirely appropriate to refer to him as "Admiral Archer." This would be especially true of Archer since he's a genuine, from-the-ground-up Starfleet officer and not just "Admiral" by way of election.

 

[Jeri]

Wow, I never pictured they meant the same Archer. I always assumed he/she was a descendant. And the dog obviously was.

Daniels must have taken Jon on some more trips; I think Orci doesn't know just how old he would be. One hundred, fifty is more than even I can chew.

 

[seigezunt]

Maybe it's just his head in a jar.

 

[Jeri]

 

[SalvorHardin]

Daniels must have taken Jon on some more trips; I think Orci doesn't know just how old he would be. One hundred, fifty is more than even I can chew.

I think he knows

From here (May 22 Q&A):

Sarek: Is the “Admiral Archer” mentioned in the film intended to be Johnathan Archer from Enterprise? If so, he would be over a hundred years old Does the Enterprise timeline exist in this new reality?
BobOrci: yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.

 

[Jeri]

Salvor, I did read that. McCoy was decrepit at 134; 150 is too much. I don't think Orci realized it would be 150. "Over 100" and 150 are not the same.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Salvor, I did read that. McCoy was decrepit at 134; 150 is too much. I don't think Orci realized it would be 150. "Over 100" and 150 are not the same.

True, they are not the same but who knows...116 or 122 is quite unbelievable for today.
But the internet tells me there have been quite a few individuals that have made it.

Maybe Archer is one of the exceptional cases. And with all the medical advances of the 23rd century, the screwing around with time and perhaps getting stuck in a transporter buffer or two...
Anything is possible

 

[Jeri]

Yeah, another "oldest living person" just died this past week. I know about that. Sorry, but it's not likely that Jonathan Archer lived a normal 150-year life span. I plainly said I'd go along with some alteration by Daniels. But he's not 150 on his own power. Scientists figure a human lifespan possibility tops out at 135 -- that's why they had McCoy at 134.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Yeah, another "oldest living person" just died this past week. I know about that. Sorry, but it's not likely that Jonathan Archer lived a normal 150-year life span. I plainly said I'd go along with some alteration by Daniels. But he's not 150 on his own power. Scientists figure a human lifespan possibility tops out at 135 -- that's why they had McCoy at 134.

Perhaps you are correct.

I will however continue to keep a few doubts about what today's scientists tell me and what will actually be possible or not possible 200 years from now

 

[Jeri]

I will however continue to keep a few doubts about what today's scientists tell me and what will actually be possible or not possible 200 years from now

Me, too. But I also note that McCoy lived to 134 several hundred years after Archer. So relative to each other -- let alone us -- 150 doesn't seem likely. Not impossible; just not likely. If someone figures out the time span between Archer in ENT and the movie is less than 150 years, I'll listen.

 

[KingstonTrekker]

Salvor, I did read that. McCoy was decrepit at 134; 150 is too much. I don't think Orci realized it would be 150. "Over 100" and 150 are not the same.

I suspect that Orci is completely aware of how old Archer would be. Orci is a fan who even posts from time to time at TrekMovie.