Admiral Archer?

[Gil T.Azell]

Would Jonathan Archer still be alive?
How many years after Enterprise do this story take place?

I was surprised to hear the name mentioned when Scotty was referring to his beaming of the admiral’s beagle to Titan from Earth

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Would Jonathan Archer still be alive?

It's certainly possible.

How many years after Enterprise do this story take place?

About a hundred (the film is set in 2258, and ENT began in 2151). So Archer would be about 150 years old.

 

[USS Excelsior]

And the Beagle would be 120!

 

[ALF]

I can see Archer getting another beagle years after Porthos passes. It's more plausable than the whole "ice planet Spock proximity conspiracy/plot hole" thing.

 

[Captain Randy Hall]

Would Jonathan Archer still be alive?

It's certainly possible.

How many years after Enterprise do this story take place?

About a hundred (the film is set in 2258, and ENT began in 2151). So Archer would be about 150 years old.

One of the things that was explored in the DS9 Relaunch novels is that because of the medical advances by that time, people are living longer, more productive lives. Elias Vaughn was just getting past his centennial birthday in one of the novels.

And Archer would want a Beagle after he'd had Porthos. Who wouldn't?

 

[ChristopherPike]

An 137 year old Leonard McCoy appeared in TNG pilot.

There are a few possibilities to explain Jonathan Archer living longer. Anything from carrying Surak's katra around in his head for a month, to being injected with that genetically engineered virus ravaging Klingon colonies. Or it could've been something that happened in Season 5. Future Guy attempting to remove him from the 22nd Century again, only to screw it up and leave old Archer stuck in the Abramsverse.

Either way, the prized beagle isn't specifically referred to by name. It could easily be Porthos XI or D'Artagnan for that matter.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Maybe Scotty's transport pulled Porthos from the past by accident into the present as well.

 

[shapeshifter]

And the Beagle would be 120!

That's 480 in dog years.

 

[Cr031k]

It doesnt necessarily mean hes still alive at that point in the film either.

 

[skep155]

I really dont get the issue, so what, were not going to live longer in the future or something?

If Humans are not living to at least 150 by the 23rd century then something must have seriously retarded the progress of our medical technology. You can talk to scientists today who argue that thousands of our generations youngest could make it to 150. Not to mention that today people in countries like Swaziland only have a life expectancy of 32, whilst Chinese Macau has one of 84, almost three times higher. I think its entirely conceivable if not likely that in 250 years people will live three times longer than we do.

 

[USS Excelsior]

As well as their pets!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I suppose it's possible that Archer himself has died by this point (Scotty only mentions the *dog* in the present tense). In the original timeline, Archer died in 2245, which is 13 years before this...

 

[Sci]

Bear in mind that it's also possible that Admiral Archer is Jonathan Archer's son or grandson.

To me, that seems especially likely if we accept the idea that Archer went on to become Federation President (as established in the computer biography in "In A Mirror, Darkly"). Scotty wouldn't refer to a former President as "admiral." (He probably wouldn't get his hands on a former President's dog, either.)

 

[Daneel]

People living longer in the future is plausible, but after seeing how decrepit the 137-year old McCoy looked in "Encounter at Farpoint", which is more than a century after the events of Star Trek, I find it a little hard to believe that 150+ year old Jonathan Archer is not only still alive in the mid-23rd century, but apparently still in Starfleet. I think it's more likely to be Archer's son or grandson (or perhaps daughter or granddaughter -- I don't think Scotty ever specifies the gender of "Admiral Archer"), who, in keeping with family tradition, happened to have a beagle as a pet.

Or maybe it is Jonathan Archer. Who knows... anything's possible in Star Trek.

Oh, and as for the biographical information on the computer screen in "In A Mirror, Darkly", is that generally accepted as canon? 'Cause IIRC, most of the info is unreadable to the episode's viewers...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Bear in mind that it's also possible that Admiral Archer is Jonathan Archer's son or grandson.

To me, that seems especially likely if we accept the idea that Archer went on to become Federation President (as established in the computer biography in "In A Mirror, Darkly"). Scotty wouldn't refer to a former President as "admiral." (He probably wouldn't get his hands on a former President's dog, either.)

Well, Scotty is in Starfleet after all. He would probably find it easier to relate to Archer *as* a fellow Starfleet officer. Scotty does not appear to like politicians, in either timeline....

 

[Sci]

People living longer in the future is plausible, but after seeing how decrepit the 137-year old McCoy looked in "Encounter at Farpoint", which is more than a century after the events of Star Trek, I find it a little hard to believe that 150+ year old Jonathan Archer is not only still alive in the mid-23rd century, but apparently still in Starfleet. I think it's more likely to be Archer's son or grandson (or perhaps daughter or granddaughter -- I don't think Scotty ever specifies the gender of "Admiral Archer"), who, in keeping with family tradition, happened to have a beagle as a pet.

Or maybe it is Jonathan Archer. Who knows... anything's possible in Star Trek.

Oh, and as for the biographical information on the computer screen in "In A Mirror, Darkly", is that generally accepted as canon? 'Cause IIRC, most of the info is unreadable to the episode's viewers...

*shrugs*

Memory Alpha accepts it as canon, but Memory Alpha accepts anything on a computer screen as canon (which has led to there being numerous Gene Roddenberrys and Rick Bermans on its character lists, since computer screens and dedication plaques often include the names of production personnel as in-jokes).

It wasn't confirmed by dialogue, but the computer bio wasn't illegible, either. However, that same bio did contain several errors (including referring to Archer taking command of the NX-01 in 2150 instead of 2151).

So far as I know, no novels have included any confirmation of the idea that Archer became Federation President, though the other aspects of his bio -- that he later became Federation Ambassador to Andoria, and then became Federation Starfleet Chief of Staff -- were incorporated into the novel Destiny: Mere Mortals by David Mack. Author Keith R.A. DeCandido did mention that if he had known of the "In A Mirror, Darkly" bio before it went to print, his novel Articles of the Federation (about a year in the life of the Federation President in 2380) would have contained a reference to Archer's having been President.

Bear in mind that it's also possible that Admiral Archer is Jonathan Archer's son or grandson.

To me, that seems especially likely if we accept the idea that Archer went on to become Federation President (as established in the computer biography in "In A Mirror, Darkly"). Scotty wouldn't refer to a former President as "admiral." (He probably wouldn't get his hands on a former President's dog, either.)

Well, Scotty is in Starfleet after all. He would probably find it easier to relate to Archer *as* a fellow Starfleet officer. Scotty does not appear to like politicians, in either timeline....

If you're in the service, you do not refer to any president, current or former, by their military rank. Not ever. It would be a horrible breach of military protocol. You call them "Mister/Madam President," period.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If you're in the service, you do not refer to any president, current or former, by their military rank. Not ever. It would be a horrible breach of military protocol. You call them "Mister/Madam President," period.

In the modern military, yes. But we all know how close Starfleet gets to that...

 

[Sci]

If you're in the service, you do not refer to any president, current or former, by their military rank. Not ever. It would be a horrible breach of military protocol. You call them "Mister/Madam President," period.

In the modern military, yes. But we all know how close Starfleet gets to that...

Are you seriously going to argue that any presidential-style government would allow its service officers to refer to its former presidents by anything other than the highest rank they ever attained (i.e., President)? How on Earth can that not be seen as an insult? It would be as though a member of the United States Navy -- or, if you will, of the United States Forest Service, if you want to accept the premise that Starfleet is not a military, which I do not -- were to address former President Clinton as "Governor."

 

[FlapJoy]

It was a funny in-joke... Archer's old... the beagle will turn up... and maybe Agent Daniels came back in time from the Abramsverse future and told Archer to put Scotty on the ice planet so Spock and Kirk would find him there. All plot holes sealed, yer welcome !!

 

[Mr. Crane]

Perhaps, shortly after the events in the Star Trek: Enterprise series, Archer and Porthos were accidently pulled through a time rift of some kind (is Daniels still around), and ended up in the mid-23rd century? This would explain why Archer and his beagle are still around - I don't buy that he would be like 150 years old!