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According to IDW, their comics are canon?

All they say is this:
“Every comic we do is considered continuity,” said IDW Senior Editor Heather Antos. “We work closely with Paramount to keep things in track [with film/TV].” (emphasis added)

Well, they also say, in relation to the new ongoing Sisko comic (confusingly just called "Star Trek"):

Jackson Lanzing (one of the writers of the comic) said:
Now we know that there will be, so we are trying to create new canon that exists inside that space. But these are the characters you know. This is the canonical Benjamin Sisko sequel story. This is the last ride of Data before Nemesis. These are those stories. This is what happened to Tom Paris after he came back from Voyager.
(emphasis added)

https://comicbook.com/startrek/news/star-trek-new-series-2022-sisko-idw-publishing-comic/

Which also doesn't make it canon, but they definitely seem to be claiming it is.
 
Well, they also say, in relation to the new ongoing Sisko comic (confusingly just called "Star Trek"):

(emphasis added)

https://comicbook.com/startrek/news/star-trek-new-series-2022-sisko-idw-publishing-comic/

Which also doesn't make it canon, but they definitely seem to be claiming it is.

They can claim whatever they want. Unless CBS makes a statement that the comics are canon, they aren't.

The movie and episode adaptations could be considered canonical though ;)

Many of the movie and episode adaptations are different from what was actually seen on screen, from dialogue differences to outright scenes that weren't in the original telecast (usually stemming from a previous invalidated script.)
 
The only franchises I can think of wherein the comics are canon by default are the ones that actually started in the comics. So then movie and TV adaptations are explained as taking place in different realities or universes in terms of comic book purism." Earth-83KDCRH-99373551410262436-A," or whatever.

Kor
 
Isn't what is or is not canon written down somewhere, perhaps on StarTrek.com?

If not it should be, for just such canon emergencies as these.

No. Canon is not a seal of approval or an official doctrine. It's just a descriptive term for a complete body of essential or connected works, such as the original incarnation of a series as distinct from its adaptations and derived works. The stories the original creators tell are the canon, simply by the definition of the word. Nobody has to declare that's what they are, any more than you have to declare that something is land instead of water. The word merely describes what it inherently is.

The default in most cases is that the original work is the canon and derivative works like tie-ins, fan fiction, or adaptations are not the canon. That's simply what the word means, so it doesn't need to be spelled out in most cases. There are some instances where supplemental works are counted within the canon, or where a portion of the original body of works is declared no longer canonical, but those are the exceptions (though the former are more common than they used to be).
 
Isn't what is or is not canon written down somewhere, perhaps on StarTrek.com?

If not it should be, for just such canon emergencies as these.
Years ago (as in early 2000s) StarTrek.com did in fact have a "What is canon?" page, though caused contention itself. According to them, Canon was all TV shows and movies (excluding TAS) plus Jeri Taylor's two Voyager novels, Mosaic and Pathways. Meanwhile, at that same time Pocket Books was adamant none of their novels were canon, not even Taylor's.

Voyager itself contradicted Taylor's novels after she left the series rendering them definitely non-canonical anyway, meanwhile these days TAS seems to have been "grandfathered in" as canon.

It's best to just go with the old rule of thumb that canon is the TV shows and movies, everything else is non-canon. How is that hard to understand? Very straight forward. The only "canon emergencies" are this, which seems to be the result of someone misunderstanding the terms of the license and/or using buzzwords to grab attention or the situation with the Kelvin Timeline comics, which is well known to be the result of a shady interviewer goading and manipulating Orci into giving a soundbite to fuel clickbait articles.
 
Years ago (as in early 2000s) StarTrek.com did in fact have a "What is canon?" page, though caused contention itself. According to them, Canon was all TV shows and movies (excluding TAS) plus Jeri Taylor's two Voyager novels, Mosaic and Pathways. Meanwhile, at that same time Pocket Books was adamant none of their novels were canon, not even Taylor's.

Voyager itself contradicted Taylor's novels after she left the series rendering them definitely non-canonical anyway,

Basically. Jeri Taylor considered her novels canonical while she was running the show, but her successors didn't follow suit. As for Startrek.com, it was slow to get the memo and kept up the page claiming the novels were canon long after they'd been repeatedly contradicted. And many fans mistakenly assumed that Startrek.com was somehow put out by the producers themselves rather than just being a publicity site run by other people, so its assertions were seen as more authoritative than they actually were.


meanwhile these days TAS seems to have been "grandfathered in" as canon.

TAS always counted. It was produced by Roddenberry and story-edited by D.C. Fontana, it featured most of the original cast, and half its episodes were written by TOS writers. It was as authentic and direct a continuation of TOS as anything has ever been. But it wasn't as frequently shown in reruns as TOS and wasn't released on home video for a long time, so a lot of people didn't see it, and many people dismissed it because it was animated.

By 1989, Roddenberry had become insecure about losing control of the franchise and started asserting that anything he didn't personally oversee was non-canonical, including the later movies and even much of TOS season 3. Although I believe the infamous 1989 memo that supposedly declared TAS non-canonical was really more the work of Roddenberry's assistant Richard Arnold, asserting his own personal dislike of TAS and claiming it was Roddenberry's will. Arnold was in charge of tie-in approvals and prohibited the novels and comics from referencing TAS. But Roddenberry had been eased back to a ceremonial role and had no actual control over the franchise anymore, and Arnold had no power over anything but the tie-ins, so the memo's pretense of "decanonizing" TAS was always a fiction. Canonical Trek did occasionally reference TAS during the time it was supposedly "banned," e.g. "Unification" alluding to "Yesteryear" and DS9 calling Kor's old ship the Klothos.


It's best to just go with the old rule of thumb that canon is the TV shows and movies, everything else is non-canon. How is that hard to understand? Very straight forward.

More basically, canon is defined by authorship, not medium. At its simplest, a canon is the collective works of the original author as opposed to derivative/imitative works by other authors -- for instance, the Sherlock Holmes canon consists of the prose stories and novels by Arthur Conan Doyle, while all the stage and screen adaptations and prose pastiches by other authors are apocrypha. In the case of a series from multiple creators, like a TV or movie franchise or a comic book series, the "author" is the studio or publisher that releases the series.


The only "canon emergencies" are this, which seems to be the result of someone misunderstanding the terms of the license and/or using buzzwords to grab attention or the situation with the Kelvin Timeline comics, which is well known to be the result of a shady interviewer goading and manipulating Orci into giving a soundbite to fuel clickbait articles.

And even that isn't really an "emergency," just an inaccuracy. After all, canon doesn't actually matter. Canonical stories are still just make-believe, as much as everything else. It's silly to worry about which unreal story is more unreal than another unreal story. The worst thing that damn '89 memo did was create the false belief among fans that canon is a standard of worth or importance defined by official fiat, rather than just a descriptive term.
 
The worst thing that damn '89 memo did was create the false belief among fans that canon is a standard of worth or importance defined by official fiat, rather than just a descriptive term.
Indeed. Very frustrating because it takes away from the discussion focusing on canon as a measure of quality.
 
I did not post this thread, nor have I asked what is canon or not.

I know what canon is or isn't, according to past Official Statements on the matter.

I was talking about something we could point to, ... prove IDW's claims are false.

...to more easily resolve canon questions conflicts like this.

ETA strike through, finish sentence anew.
 
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I was talking about something we could point to, to prove IDW's claims are false.

And we gave you that -- the actual definition of canon. Again, it's not some kind of official seal or title or legal status. It's just a descriptive shorthand used in discussing a body of fictional works. Really, people obsess far too much on the label itself as if it were some magic talisman. It's just a word.
 
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