Apollo was a second-generation god and half (Terran) human. The implication is he disagreed with the decisions of the elder/pure gods. It was only in the end that he realized they "were right".
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Apollo was a second-generation god and half (Terran) human. The implication is he disagreed with the decisions of the elder/pure gods. It was only in the end that he realized they "were right".
I think it's more a fun play on words than anything else.
Trivia from the La La Land liner notes: "Who Mourns for Adonais" composer Fred Steiner thought it was one of the best episodes. He scored 11 episodes of the show altogether.
And Steiner's piece from "The Corbomite Maneuver" (when the giant hand is going for the Enterprise) was not tracked in. It was newly performed for "Who Mourns."
And Steiner's piece from "The Corbomite Maneuver" (when the giant hand is going for the Enterprise) was not tracked in. It was newly performed for "Who Mourns."
Half Terran? Hmmm….from what I’ve read Apollo was the son of Zeus and Leto, a goddess begotten by two of the Titans, Phoebe and Coeus.
That may be true according to Bullfinch and Hamilton, but it is not what was said in the episode.
"Apollo, twin brother of Artemis, son of the god Zeus and Leto, a mortal."
You're right, that's in the transcript - hadn't watched the episode for awhile.it is not what was said in the episode.
"Apollo, twin brother of Artemis, son of the god Zeus and Leto, a mortal."
I guess there are conflicting versions of the myth.
At first, I could believe that Carolyn might not be well versed in Earth Greek Mythology even though it was part of her job was the A and A officer...
CAROLYN: What am I doing down here, Doctor?
MCCOY: Well, you're the A and A officer, aren't you? Archaeology, anthropology, ancient civilisations.
CAROLYN: Correct.
MCCOY: We're going to need help in all those areas.
And later she adds:MCCOY: Well, you're the A and A officer, aren't you? Archaeology, anthropology, ancient civilisations.
CAROLYN: Correct.
MCCOY: We're going to need help in all those areas.
KIRK: Analysis. Lieutenant Palamas, what do you know about Apollo?
CAROLYN: Apollo, twin brother of Artemis, son of the god Zeus and Leto, a mortal. He was the god of light and purity. He was skilled in the bow and lyre.
KIRK: And this thing? (the temple)
CAROLYN: Obviously he has some knowledge of Earth. His classical references and the appearance of all this.
Apparently, she was right. From Apollo's own lips:CAROLYN: Apollo, twin brother of Artemis, son of the god Zeus and Leto, a mortal. He was the god of light and purity. He was skilled in the bow and lyre.
KIRK: And this thing? (the temple)
CAROLYN: Obviously he has some knowledge of Earth. His classical references and the appearance of all this.
APOLLO: Even five thousand years ago, the gods took mortals to them to love, to care for, like Zeus took Leto, my mother. We were gods of passion, of love.
Orville had a great scene explaining their version of the prime directive and I think their points could easily apply to Trek's.
That may be true according to Bullfinch and Hamilton, but it is not what was said in the episode.
"Apollo, twin brother of Artemis, son of the god Zeus and Leto, a mortal."
I don't believe that Bullfinch.
Obviously, there are conflicting versions now, thanks to Roddenberry, Gilbert Ralson, Coon, and Fontana.
I myself never knew that Leto was a goddess in the myths until I looked it up writing my op. So the TOS creators have actually created a new version of a Greek myth which thousands or millions of Star Trek fans may now think was the orignal version.
Leslie Parrish said of this episode, "it's one piece of work that I'm very proud of. Of all the work I did, this is outstanding, because it is rooted in something which I believe so deeply.”
Wonder what exactly she meant by that – having to reject a false god? Putting duty before personal desire? or the fact that she did fall in love with Apollo?
Wonder what exactly she meant by that – having to reject a false god? Putting duty before personal desire? or the fact that she did fall in love with Apollo?
Leaving a bad boyfriend and doing what's right, even if it hurts.
Or maybe she meant that her performance was better on Star Trek because she got into the character's mindset and "believed" it.
Yes, in "The Girl in the Frame." I saw the pink dress on display at the Smithsonian years ago.
According to memory alpha, Parrish really admired Roddenberry's futuristic vision - maybe it was just that basic idealism that she believed in so deeply.
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I can't get behind the Gods, who are more vengeful, angry, and dangerous if you don't believe in them!
Why can't all these Gods just get along? I mean, they're omnipotent and omnipresent, what's the problem?
What's the problem?
Lol
Why can't all these Gods just get along? I mean, they're omnipotent and omnipresent, what's the problem?
What's the problem?
Lol
Although, strangely enough, because of this discussion I looked up Leto and Apollo and there's now a school of thought based on Leto's unusual mythology that maybe Apollo and Artemis had different mothers, and that Apollo's mother was mortal, because that aligns better with the mythology of the mothers of Zeus' other favored sons.
Jealousy.
@MAGolding, you covered so much ground in your OP – could you narrow down what your primary question was? The topic quote is about Mitchell, but your focus seems more on Apollo. Were you suggesting Kirk should have offered his crew the choice of living as cared-for followers / slaves?
Maybe it's worth mentioning that the Greek gods were under the control of the Fates, who were not known for compassion either.
Also –the episode title is from Shelley’s elegy for Keats, but there was no Adonais-- the poet made up the name - from Adonis the lover of Aphrodite, and Adonai, the Hebrew word for the monotheistic God.
Kirk’s line at the end “We find the One quite sufficient” might refer to Judaism, or a non-trinitarian faith, as in the Unitarian church.
Maybe it's worth mentioning that the Greek gods were under the control of the Fates, who were not known for compassion either.
Also –the episode title is from Shelley’s elegy for Keats, but there was no Adonais-- the poet made up the name - from Adonis the lover of Aphrodite, and Adonai, the Hebrew word for the monotheistic God.
Kirk’s line at the end “We find the One quite sufficient” might refer to Judaism, or a non-trinitarian faith, as in the Unitarian church.
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Or Islam, Sikhism or the Bahai faith.
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