About some goofs..

[IWantSomeChak]

I know it's impossible for a show like this to be flawless but I have a few goofs in mind that bugs me. Here are some of them I want to discuss if they have any logic:

-Dark Frontier Part II: When Janeway and the others go searching for Seven, they stay in transwarp conduit for quite some time. But when they are being chased by the Borg ship through the conduit, they spend three minutes or so before they arrive to rendezvous coordinates.
-Someone To Watch Over Me was a hilarous episode regarding humor and relationships but what about "Seven of Mine" stuff? Does UT translate puns as well?
-Hansens discover traces of Borg activity only after 8 months of travel into deep space. Isn't it a bit short?
-Why doesn't Voyager build it's own transwarp coil? They were able to adapt the coil they stole from Borg to their system. Surely they must have understood the principle.

I will edit as I remember more of them. Thanks for any assistance

 

[Tracy Trek]

Perhaps the material to build a transwarp coil was easily found. I meant not easily found.

 

[Capn Nick]

It's best not to think too deeply about the universal translator. Between idioms, slang and cultural references it isn't really clear why it would work. Coincidentally, that's why I always like the TNG episode Darmok. It was interesting to acknowladge that language is both words but also context.

 

[Lynx]

It's best not to think too deeply about the universal translator. Between idioms, slang and cultural references it isn't really clear why it would work. Coincidentally, that's why I always like the TNG episode Darmok. It was interesting to acknowladge that language is both words but also context.

I like that episode too just because of that.

Not to mention that I woould love to see a Tamarian in the next Star Trek series.

When it comes to the universal translator, I used to wonder how they could talk to each other even when their combadges were lost and taken from them Fortunately I did find a solution for that:


The B&B device!

The solution is the B&B device, named after two important persons in the 20th century who did foresee the development of the future. THe B&B device is a very small microchip which is attached to the inner ear and which immediately starts when the ship's computer universal translator is unavailable and the combadges are removed or destroyed. In that way, different species can continue to communicate.

 

[Six of Twelve]

And, so far as the UT goes, does a listener seem to hear their own language coming directly out of an alien's mouth, or do they hear the alien language, but accompanied by a computer voice superimposed on top of it providing the translation?

 

[Miss Make It So]

And, so far as the UT goes, does a listener seem to hear their own language coming directly out of an alien's mouth, or do they hear the alien language, but accompanied by a computer voice superimposed on top of it providing the translation?

This is a good question. In my opinion the listener would hear a translated voice over the speaker's voice. If all anyone ever heard was their own language, how would someon actually learn to speak the alien language without ever hearing it in the native tongue.

Of course this makes me wonder. If you're speaking the alien language, do you then hear your own voice in your own language through your UT?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Watch the YouTube videos in my sig, some good Voyager mistakes among them!
And I never got to the ever-changing TARDIS shuttlebay.

 

[trekyourself]

I was going to say that it's best not to dig too deep into thinking about the universal translator, but then I remembered where I was. My thoughts on the UT was that it doesn't specifically translate a set of words or sentences like we would translate text from one book to another, but learns what the base thought trying to be expressed is, and then finds the best set of words in another language to express it. Like when you have a thought or image in your mind, and just can't quite find the words to express it vocally, but it's very clear in your head. I'd imagine the UT has the processing power to find the best way to express that thought, regardless of how the original thought was worded. I'd imagine if the original context had humor involved, it would be clever enough to find a way to incorporate that in some form as well. I try to think of it as a middleman expressing ideas, and not and advanced version of the bing online translator.

(Although bing does Awesomely translate klingon. However brokenly)

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Then there's the crew count that stays the same no matter how many people die.

 

[Six of Twelve]

Then there's the crew count that stays the same no matter how many people die.

Same with the number of shuttle craft. No matter how many are destroyed and no matter how long it's been since they're visited a Federation facility, ships always have plenty to spare.

The only explanation is that they make their own on-board.

 

[TonyLeung82]

Then there's the crew count that stays the same no matter how many people die.

This is wrong.
I dont know what else I can do to repeat it. No, the Voyager Crew-count is not staying the same, and logic in itself. The authors did do some mistakes, sure, but it is not this horrible as alwys told.
Here, click the link, is a fresh updated site about the crew-count (losses + gains) of Voyager:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/voyager-crew.htm

 

[Lynx]

Same with the number of shuttle craft. No matter how many are destroyed and no matter how long it's been since they're visited a Federation facility, ships always have plenty to spare.

The only explanation is that they make their own on-board.

Yes they did!

Voyager always did seem to have an endless supply of shuttles and photon torpedoes. No matter how many shuttles they destroyed or how many torpedoes they did blow up, despite their talk of limited resources, they always had new ones to blow up and destroy. Now that's because of:

The Torpedo and Shuttle Building Team!

This would be the perfect explanation to why Voyager always had shuttles available despite losing them in episode after episode. It would also explain where characters like Dalby, Henley, Chell, Gerron, Vorik, Carey, Rollins and Samantha Wildman were during most of the time in the Delta Quadrant. They were building new shuttles and torpedoes both day and night!

 

[Six of Twelve]

Yes they did!

Voyager always did seem to have an endless supply of shuttles and photon torpedoes. No matter how many shuttles they destroyed or how many torpedoes they did blow up, despite their talk of limited resources, they always had new ones to blow up and destroy. Now that's because of:

The Torpedo and Shuttle Building Team!

This would be the perfect explanation to why Voyager always had shuttles available despite losing them in episode after episode. It would also explain where characters like Dalby, Henley, Chell, Gerron, Vorik, Carey, Rollins and Samantha Wildman were during most of the time in the Delta Quadrant. They were building new shuttles and torpedoes both day and night!

I figure they picked up raw materials from the various planets they visited to do this building

 

[Capn Nick]

You figure if they can build a specialty ship like the Delta Flyer that they must have some sort of apparatus or equipment for construction on a starship. At least it's conceivable.

Either that or the engineers just exaggerate how few they have like they exaggerate how long things take to fix.

Engineer: We only have two torpedos left!
Captain: I need three!
Engineer: I don't know how...but I've prepared three!
Captain: you're a miracle worker!

 

[Lynx]

Ever since I started watching Voyager, I saw some apparent goofs here and there and after a while I started to try to come up withsome explanations for them.

Most of those explanations can be found on the Kes Website on the page "Voyager Mysteries-and how to solve them".

"The Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team" is the best one I've come up with so far. It explains how they could have such an amount of shuttles and torpedoes after wasting so many of them at an early stage of the series. It also explains where some crewmembers ended up after dissapearing from the screen.

The story goes like this:


Stardate 48942.07 (Friday 10 December 2371)

Captain's log

The latest events have put us in a difficult situation since we have wasted a lot of torpedoes and damaged a shuttle. Therefore I have asked Commander Chakotay, Liutenant Tuvok and Lieutenant Torres to come to my ready room to discuss an idea I have.

"You all know what has happened" said Janeway. "After the recent adventure with the Furies (Voyager book "The Final Fury" which took place between the episodes "Elogium" and "Twisted"), we have lost a shuttle. We have also wasted too many torpedoes. If we keep on wasting our torpedoes in the same way, we will be out of them soon. Considering our long journey home and the risk of running into hostile aliens, we need both shuttles and torpedoes. Therefore I want to discuss this idea I have."

"What woud that be?" Chakotay asked.

"I suggest that we set up a special workforce on the ship" Janeway said. "The Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team". "Some really skilled people who can have as their priority to build shuttles and torpedoes when it's necessary. If we do so, we will have a chance to avoid being without those in a critical situation."

"That sounds like a good idea", Chakotay said.

"Indeed. And a very logical idea too considering our need for such items" Tuvok said.

"Exactly my thoughts too", said Janeway. "B'Elanna, do you have any people to spare?"

"Well, I think that Dalby, Henley, Gerron and Chell would be perfect for the job. And I would also like to have Lt. Carey in charge of the team. He's the right person for that. If necessary, I can give a helping hand too in a crisis. But I must point out that I need these people in Engineering too and that they would only work with shuttles and torpedoes when necessary."

"I agree", Janeway said. "I would also suggest that we find some other people too among the crew who can assist with shuttle and torpedo building when necessary". Janeway touched her combadge: "Mr Carey, can you come to my ready room immediately!"

And so The Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team was born. From the beginning, it was Lt.Carey, Dalby, Henley, Gerron and Chell. Later on Rollins, Vorik, Samantha Wildman and The Borg baby were added to the team. In fact, those people are the true heroes on Voyager. Without their hard work, Voyager's mission would have been almost impossible.

 

[Six of Twelve]

And I imagine that when Seven of Nine joined the crew, the efficiency and speed of building really stepped up.

Just look how quickly she and the other drones threw up several regeneration alcoves and a Borg computer interface when they beamed over from the cube in Scorpion.

 

[stardream]

Same with the number of shuttle craft. No matter how many are destroyed and no matter how long it's been since they're visited a Federation facility, ships always have plenty to spare.

The only explanation is that they make their own on-board.

That's the conclusion I've come too. They were able to build the Delta Flyer on- board...twice, so it stands to reason they could also build 'common' shuttle crafts.

 

[tomswift2002]

You should also read the novel "Ghost Of A Chance". I realize that it's not canon, but at the same time it does explain how Voyager managed to have more torpedoes than the 38 that were mentioned (hint: the discovered a ship loaded with arms that was a drift and just salvaged a bunch of arms and other material).

 

[Six of Twelve]

At the time of Scorpion, Seven of Nine noted that Voyager had 32.

 

[Lynx]

You should also read the novel "Ghost Of A Chance". I realize that it's not canon, but at the same time it does explain how Voyager managed to have more torpedoes than the 38 that were mentioned (hint: the discovered a ship loaded with arms that was a drift and just salvaged a bunch of arms and other material).

That's right!

I have that one. Great book!
The story in the book would have been perfect as a two-part episode.