Yep. I think there's a different standard being applied for a human in this case, but those are fine examples obviously.
About Mirror Georgiou in ”Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2“
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I think Federation law would draw a distinction between sapient and non-sapient life. It's potentially difficult to do, with sapience being a concept invented by sapients and space filled with all kinds of entities that might straddle the line and blur the definitions, but I'm pretty sure killing an Andorian or a Vulcan - or Kelpien - and then eating their corpse would be considered cannibalism or something 100% equivalent to it.
And I don't eat meat, eggs or dairy, so I'm not just saying it to feel like less of a cannibal.
And I don't eat meat, eggs or dairy, so I'm not just saying it to feel like less of a cannibal.
Star Trek - even by its own parlance - has treated its factions as more akin to races than species. But I think it would be more accurate to say that, at the very least, all the Salome Jens descendants might not be all the same species scientifically speaking, but they're beyond the same genus.
To that end, "cannibal" is as semantically sound as any word.
To that end, "cannibal" is as semantically sound as any word.
I think it is a disservice to regard Georgiou without consideration to her background culture. Terms like cannibal pretty much prejudge the conversation before it even starts.
Well, that's the point for people who trot out 'Nazi Cannibal Psychopath' whenever the character is discussed. Its about throwing down a wall to prevent such conversations to go anywhere else.
I'm not sure I understand. A disservice to whom?
Also, we have a character eating other sentient beings who are kept as slaves. I would like to think that fact alone establishes where this character stands morally, no? And that even without ever using the word “cannibal”. Or is there a nicer – less “prejudiced” – way to describe it?
She committed genocide on a planetary scale (literally) and ate people who look like Saru. What the fuck do you want?
Immorality is relative. It wasn't immoral in the Mirror Universe. It wasn't even immoral to the Kelpians on their home planet until just a little while ago. Have we seen her eating Kelpians since she left the Mirror Universe? If something you do that isn't immoral today but becomes immoral tomorrow tar you forever as an immoral being for eternity, even if you don't do it again after it is judged to be immoral?
Fewer walls and more doors.
So your argument basically is: She didn't know what she did was immoral or wrong, so what she did should not be judged as immoral or wrong by us the audience or them Starfleet, correct?
In addition to the fact that the terms people use are both innacurate and hypberbole inducing and she is also a fictional character existing in a fictional universe, is reductive to an extreme and doesn't aid in understanding the narrative the show is presenting..
So yes, I think the character should be judged on what she does now and in the future instead of solely what she did in an alternate universe in a different culture which may or may not even exist as a real place as among the many laws that aren't followed there the laws of probability are way out of whack. Just like if you converted to vegetarianism from being a meat eater I shouldn't judge you judged solely on the fact that your favorite food used to be cheeseburgers and pork rinds.
This is just my opinion, however, but I will stick to it until her future actions offer new information.
Is she doing it now? Did she know it was wrong before?
You can judge it all you want. It doesn't change the psychology of the character or possible paths forward.
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It's a perfectly cromulent word.
You're basing this on one line of dialogue?
Nhan does not strike me as a sociopath. She would never have been able to rise to such high rank - or serve under Chris Pike at all - if she was.
She may have a wicked sense of humor, which I DO find likely, but I don't see her as a psycho. Not by a long shot.
I agree, Nhan is no sociopath she just likes a fight, and clearly likes beating up bad guys.
I disagree, L'Rell and Voq were basically those soccer players whose plane crashed in the andes and had to eat their dead teammates to survive. Georgiou seemed to have Kelpien for sunday lunch ever week. Cannibalism for survival and Cannibalism because your the God-Emperor who views non-human life as completely disposable, are two very different things
Yes, L'Rell and Voq also consumed sentients. Although neither are lead character in their own spin-offs and Tyler isn't quite Voq, he just has his memories.
