A TUC Question

[dispatcher812]

After the meeting at the start of the Movie, Kirk says to spoke " Don't believe them, don't trust them." and then " Let them die". Then in the movie Lt valerais Quotes Kirk with the "LET THEM DIE". How did she know this? She was now were in the meeting.

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

 

[Siwilliams]

After the meeting at the start of the Movie, Kirk says to spoke " Don't believe them, don't trust them." and then " Let them die". Then in the movie Lt valerais Quotes Kirk with the "LET THEM DIE". How did she know this? She was now were in the meeting.

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

Think it means they are off duty. You see McCoy do that when he goes to get coffee

As to how Lt Valerais knew what Captain Kirk said, it was because Admiral Cartwright probably told her, he was one of the people caught in the end, maybe Colonel West (shot in the end by Scotty) was there as well, not sure

Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country rocks!

 

[David cgc]

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

Sort of. It seems to be a comfort thing, like loosing your tie and unbuttoning your collar.

 

[starburst]

Are we suggesting they open that flap when they go off duty same as Taxi Drivers turn their lights off?

Its a comfort thing pure and simple, Kirk did it serveral times in TWOK when he clearly was on duty same the TSFS.

 

[Siwilliams]

Are we suggesting they open that flap when they go off duty same as Taxi Drivers turn their lights off?

Its a comfort thing pure and simple, Kirk did it serveral times in TWOK when he clearly was on duty same the TSFS.

Uhh, Star trek 3 the search for spock? I don't think he was really on duty or do you mean just star trek 2?

 

[Rhody the Ram]

^ I agree. I'm not sure if it actually would be that much more comfortable since they still had a shirt under the jacket, but I'm sure it was meant to suggest that idea nonetheless.

GREAT movie!

 

[Timby]

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

Sort of. It seems to be a comfort thing, like loosing your tie and unbuttoning your collar.

Right. I think the idea was that the jacket was rather tight and constrictive in the chest area (there's a joke about Shatner's weight somewhere in there), and by opening the flap, it allowed the wearer to "breathe" more.

 

[cardinal biggles]

^There's probably also a joke about Uhura's bustline in there as well; Nichelle Nichols was probably the one cast member who had the flap open the most. IIRC, she was also the only one to fold out the inner flap as well:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch4/tsfs0450.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvh/ch5/tvh0197.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch12/tuc0619.jpg

 

[Solariabsg25]

After the meeting at the start of the Movie, Kirk says to spoke " Don't believe them, don't trust them." and then " Let them die". Then in the movie Lt valerais Quotes Kirk with the "LET THEM DIE". How did she know this? She was now were in the meeting.

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

I agree with other posters here, it was probably Admiral Cartwright. Just look at Kirk's face when Valeris says it, it's a "How the hell did you know that??"

A realisation for Kirk that the Conspiracy reached the higher echelons of Starfleet.

 

[Trekker4747]

^There's probably also a joke about Uhura's bustline in there as well; Nichelle Nichols was probably the one cast member who had the flap open the most. IIRC, she was also the only one to fold out the inner flap as well:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch4/tsfs0450.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvh/ch5/tvh0197.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch12/tuc0619.jpg

I didn't ever realize there was an inner flap too! Man, what a complicated layering of clothes for a uniform!

The flap thing always humored me as it's clearly intended to suggest they do it for comfort or to even suggest an off-duty or "leave me alone" status as evidenced by everyone opening them up after the Klingons leave. And I always found the concept quite funny.

Not sure why, but likening it to loosening your tie makes sense.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

Human blood splatters are very difficult to discern against red cloth, so whenever a shipboard alert is sounded the wearer is obliged to open the flap thus exposing the white BFEI (Bodily Fluid Exposure Indicator) to pump up the level of visual melodrama for the benefit of clueless viewers.

TGT

 

[Eric Cheung]

In the widescreen version of the film you can see someone in the shadows at that point in the scene. This person is next to the right Starfleet Emblem here. People have theorized that it's Valeris.

 

[Herbert1]

I just presumed that Spock confided Kirk's "Let them die" comments to Valeris at some point.

 

[Data Holmes]

A nother question, the uniforms, when they open the flap on the front of their uniforms what does that mean? off duty?

Human blood splatters are very difficult to discern against red cloth, so whenever a shipboard alert is sounded the wearer is obliged to open the flap thus exposing the white BFEI (Bodily Fluid Exposure Indicator) to pump up the level of visual melodrama for the benefit of clueless viewers.

TGT

I read that Nick Meyer wanted the jacket's to function for real, that is why they can open them... when he noticed this he asked for the inside of the flap to be a lighter color fabric, something to do with it highlighting or framing the face... It was only after this decision that the whole "blood stain" concept was thought up... So it seems that the visual melodrama was thought up after the uniforms were designed...

 

[nil_jones]

In the widescreen version of the film you can see someone in the shadows at that point in the scene. This person is next to the right Starfleet Emblem here. People have theorized that it's Valeris.

Isn't that just the "ladies and gentlement, the C-in-C" lady from the earlier in the scene? one of those standard security/administrative folks?

 

[Cicero]

In the widescreen version of the film you can see someone in the shadows at that point in the scene. This person is next to the right Starfleet Emblem here. People have theorized that it's Valeris.

Isn't that just the "ladies and gentlement, the C-in-C" lady from the earlier in the scene? one of those standard security/administrative folks?

Yes, we concluded as much after an lengthy examination about two years ago.

 

[Data Holmes]

In the widescreen version of the film you can see someone in the shadows at that point in the scene. This person is next to the right Starfleet Emblem here. People have theorized that it's Valeris.

Isn't that just the "ladies and gentlement, the C-in-C" lady from the earlier in the scene? one of those standard security/administrative folks?

Yes, we concluded as much after an lengthy examination about two years ago.

And who is to say that she wasn't in on it? The way that some of those crewmen looked when the announcement was made over the pa in TUC about needing a court reporter in sickbay... when the names were said a few of them looked like they knew more than they did.


I always liked how you never knew who, or how many, were involved in it.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Then again, Spock had had the crew tearing the ship apart under Valeris' supervision in search for the missing gravity boots and bloodstained uniforms, so the crew probably guessed Spock's theory that the assassins were still on the ship, if he didn't tell them outright. So if late at night I suddenly heard the court reporter being called to sickbay to take statements from Burke and Samno, it would probably grab my attention and make me think, "Oh, theydunnit!"

 

[cooleddie74]

After the meeting at the start of the Movie, Kirk says to spoke " Don't believe them, don't trust them." and then " Let them die". Then in the movie Lt valerais Quotes Kirk with the "LET THEM DIE". How did she know this? She was now were in the meeting.

There's strong conjecture since 1991 that the shadowy figure standing at the very back of the conference hall where Spock makes his speech is Valeris eavesdropping on and recording the conversation between Kirk and Spock. No canonical evidence to be sure, but the shadowy figure at the back of the room doesn't appear to be a Starfleet security guard or big, beefy guy of some kind.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

After the meeting at the start of the Movie, Kirk says to spoke " Don't believe them, don't trust them." and then " Let them die". Then in the movie Lt valerais Quotes Kirk with the "LET THEM DIE". How did she know this? She was now were in the meeting.

There's strong conjecture since 1991 that the shadowy figure standing at the very back of the conference hall where Spock makes his speech is Valeris eavesdropping on and recording the conversation between Kirk and Spock. No canonical evidence to be sure, but the shadowy figure at the back of the room doesn't appear to be a Starfleet security guard or big, beefy guy of some kind.

No, it's not Valeris.

For one thing, whoever that is in the background is wearing a command white collar. Valeris' was red. (It probably *shouldn't* have been, but the fact remains, it was.)