A thought on Miri

[pookha]

while at its heart the idea of the show is haunting.
but it is partially destroyed with all the baby talk craziness.

considering the children would only age a month for each one hundred years a lot of them would have been 5 - 9 years of age.
and they wouldnt have been talking like that.
anarchy yes,,,but not what we saw.

In the mid-1960s they tended to make all children overly child-like. Today I don't think they could get away with it.

as a child of the 60's while the children on tv may have been a little more innocent then the children on tv today you cant find them talking in baby talk once they were past a certain age.

 

[Red Ranger]

while at its heart the idea of the show is haunting.
but it is partially destroyed with all the baby talk craziness.

considering the children would only age a month for each one hundred years a lot of them would have been 5 - 9 years of age.
and they wouldnt have been talking like that.
anarchy yes,,,but not what we saw.

In the mid-1960s they tended to make all children overly child-like. Today I don't think they could get away with it.

as a child of the 60's while the children on tv may have been a little more innocent then the children on tv today you cant find them talking in baby talk once they were past a certain age.

True, but let's remember that these long-lived children had lived an unstructured life for centuries. As a result, while several were approaching teenage years, their mental and emotional development was clearly arrested. So perhaps the "baby-talk" was part of the stagnant culture they'd developed over their long lives. Not saying they were a planet of "retards," but they were clearly in a rut. -- RR

 

[Mallory]

I always liked the Spock/McCoy interaction in this episode, especially when the time comes to test McCoy's experimental antidote. I thought it was some pretty good character development.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Is that the one where it was revealed that she wasn't actually as old as people thought she was, due to having traveled (as a girl) in a ship that'd lost warp and had been at near-light speed for some time before it got to a sector where they could find help? Everyone had aged more slowly than the amount of time that passed for the rest of the universe, so she was at least several years younger than people thought?

That's the one--but I was actually referring to what had happened to her after that....

 

[kirkshairpeice]

not the worst, what i think about the most when i see this episode( other then the bonk bonk kid) is the convenient absence of the guards( looking for the kids?) some of the annoying kids belong to gene, grace lee whitney, and bill shatner( is that his daughter hes holding at the end?)in this one, not all that bad.

 

[Rush Limborg]

some of the annoying kids belong to gene, grace lee whitney, and bill shatner( is that his daughter hes holding at the end?)

Yes, it is! (See Star Trek Compendium)

And...GLW noted that her kids can be spotted in the scene where Jahn sneaks into the lab and snatches the communicators. They're the two who stay in the duct.

 

[Photoman15]

while at its heart the idea of the show is haunting.
but it is partially destroyed with all the baby talk craziness.

considering the children would only age a month for each one hundred years a lot of them would have been 5 - 9 years of age.
and they wouldnt have been talking like that.
anarchy yes,,,but not what we saw.

And who was supposed to teach them the "right" adult way to speak. The "baby talk" was appropriate as that's the only words they knew for certain things. If they were never taught a word (like "hit"), they made up a word (the sound, "bang, bang") and passed that down as a word.

 

[T'Bonz]

I liked "Miri" as a teen. It's a bit lame now, but I guess I could identify with Miri back then.

It was an interesting concept - arrested (and with no parents in the picture) childhood.

 

[A beaker full of death]

You know, this is one my least favorite episodes, probably one of the least faves for most people. It has a laughable plot and annoying kid actors.

On the other hand, it is indisputably Trek. Our favorite characters are recognizably themselves and very compelling. The scenes which stand out for me involve the broken tricycle. When the party comes upon it, Kirk and Spock examine the thing with detached interest whereas Bones cradles and replaces the thing almost as if it were a dead child.

Later, when the grupped onlie asks them to fix it, Kirk and Spock make more clinical observations whereas McCoy reassuringly says, "Of course somebody will fix it."

I just thought that was awesome character portrayal.

Nice observations.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

some of the annoying kids belong to gene, grace lee whitney, and bill shatner( is that his daughter hes holding at the end?)

Yes, it is! (See Star Trek Compendium)

And...GLW noted that her kids can be spotted in the scene where Jahn sneaks into the lab and snatches the communicators. They're the two who stay in the duct.

Also, Phil Morris is the kid wearing the Army helmet.

 

[Red Ranger]

some of the annoying kids belong to gene, grace lee whitney, and bill shatner( is that his daughter hes holding at the end?)

Yes, it is! (See Star Trek Compendium)

And...GLW noted that her kids can be spotted in the scene where Jahn sneaks into the lab and snatches the communicators. They're the two who stay in the duct.

Also, Phil Morris is the kid wearing the Army helmet.

That's cool! He's awesome as Jackie Childs on Seinfeld, and as the Martian Manhunter on Smallville. And he had that cameo as the cadet in TSFS who asks if there's going to be a ceremony when they return. -- RR

 

[Atavachron]

Interesting that you should post about Miri. I was just looking through a bunch of screencaps from that one and I remembered that Kim Darby was in a 1972 TV movie with Shatner called The People. Made from a Zenna Henderson novel, it was about a teacher, Darby, who was teaching a group of people who had come to earth from another planet and were trying to fit in. Shatner was the town doctor (Dr. Curtis). I really liked the story that Henderson wrote. The movie was sorta like an afterschool special but it did have the coolest bit of music that I, and my late sister, really loved.

Also in Miri there was Michael J. Pollard who played C.W. Moss in the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde with Warren Beatty and Faye Dunnaway. Pollard was also in a little movie (Little Fauss and Big Halsy, also 1967) filmed partly at my brother's father-in-law's motorcycle shop in Littlerock, CA.
It starred Robert Redford.


Atavachron

 

[Forbin]

Oh wow, I remember "The Poeple." It was one of those bizarre little spooky movies that I loved back then, like "Crowhaven Farm." You never see those on TV any more!

 

[Doug Otte]

Yes, it is! (See Star Trek Compendium)

And...GLW noted that her kids can be spotted in the scene where Jahn sneaks into the lab and snatches the communicators. They're the two who stay in the duct.

Also, Phil Morris is the kid wearing the Army helmet.

That's cool! He's awesome as Jackie Childs on Seinfeld, and as the Martian Manhunter on Smallville. And he had that cameo as the cadet in TSFS who asks if there's going to be a ceremony when they return. -- RR

As long as you're listing Phil Morris' ST roles, don't forget he did one or two in Voyager.

Doug

 

[Tan Ru]

I too like Miri.

I never really thought of it as duplicate-earth; rather as a planet who's evolution paralleled Earth's very closely.

 

[Forbin]

And as Bruce McGill's XO on the Babylon 5 episode "Severed Dreams."

And wasn't he in a later season of Airwolf?

 

[cooleddie74]

"Miri" had characterization and atmosphere in spite of its abysmally cheap budget and cheesiness. Something seen very often in reverse on VOYAGER.

 

[pookha]

while at its heart the idea of the show is haunting.
but it is partially destroyed with all the baby talk craziness.

considering the children would only age a month for each one hundred years a lot of them would have been 5 - 9 years of age.
and they wouldnt have been talking like that.
anarchy yes,,,but not what we saw.

And who was supposed to teach them the "right" adult way to speak. The "baby talk" was appropriate as that's the only words they knew for certain things. If they were never taught a word (like "hit"), they made up a word (the sound, "bang, bang") and passed that down as a word.

because a lot of the kids would have been in the 8-10 year range.

 

[Mistral]

Interesting that you should post about Miri. I was just looking through a bunch of screencaps from that one and I remembered that Kim Darby was in a 1972 TV movie with Shatner called The People. Made from a Zenna Henderson novel, it was about a teacher, Darby, who was teaching a group of people who had come to earth from another planet and were trying to fit in. Shatner was the town doctor (Dr. Curtis). I really liked the story that Henderson wrote. The movie was sorta like an afterschool special but it did have the coolest bit of music that I, and my late sister, really loved.

Also in Miri there was Michael J. Pollard who played C.W. Moss in the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde with Warren Beatty and Faye Dunnaway. Pollard was also in a little movie (Little Fauss and Big Halsy, also 1967) filmed partly at my brother's father-in-law's motorcycle shop in Littlerock, CA.
It starred Robert Redford.



Atavachron

I just saw The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming! from '66 and Pollard had a bit part in that, too.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Also, Phil Morris is the kid wearing the Army helmet.

That's cool! He's awesome as Jackie Childs on Seinfeld, and as the Martian Manhunter on Smallville. And he had that cameo as the cadet in TSFS who asks if there's going to be a ceremony when they return. -- RR

As long as you're listing Phil Morris' ST roles, don't forget he did one or two in Voyager.

Doug

He also had two roles on DS9, Remata'Klan in Rocks and Shoals and the Klingon Thopok in Looking For Par'Mach in All the Wrong Places. He also played the trainee who asks Kirk if there's gonna be a ceremony when they get home in STIII. I never realised this myself, but this thread made me look up his IMDB profile!