A Theory About Trek XI

[SalvorHardin]

To say that the true profile of the nacelles is not revealed is not the same as saying that there will be changes to what they have already shown> They simply mean that what we've seen isn't really representative. Its a bad angle from which to draw conclusions, thats all.

No it's not the same. All I say it's that it is just an indication that something may change.
Of course it may be something as simple as what you say but that last " The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say" is vague and cryptic enough to make me think that it may be something more.

It's no big deal eitherway...

I just thought he meant they glowed red when the engines were running - which I *think* you can just about make out in one of the trailer shots...

You know, that's what I thought he meant, back when that quote was first posted.
But lurking and posting in here has made me a bit more paranoid since then

 

[EJD1984]

I had thought about this theory as well. It is entirely plausible that Abrams & Co. may go in this direction. Look at their track record so far with Alias & Lost - as soon as it seems that the storyline is heading in a logical direction, they like to throw you for a curve at the last minute.

I believe that whole "timeline askew" theory may hold some water in relation to this film. The writers have specified that one of the major influences for this story has been TNG episode Yesterday's Enterprise.

I know that there's been an enormous investment in the movie sets, but take into account how much we've seen sets redressed over the years, It's not all that difficult to design a set to be easily modified later. I could see a subtle change where we loose the "bar code scanners" and "hostess stations". And the final ship will be somewhere between the TOS & initial Ryan Church design.

Take into account the subtle set changes (cost effictive) that were done for Yesterday's Enterrpise that changed the whole look and feel of that episode.

I can see where at the end of the movie the timelime has been 95% corrected (best as possible), and everything does change slightly. This could also be the unspoken beginning of the Temporal War - Though I seriously doubt it will even be explored on screen anytime soon (if ever).

The one hope that I have with the theory is if the timeline is only partially corrected, that leaves the opening that Data may not have died (Countdown comic book cover hint), and this leaves the possibility that his character will finally be explored in future books.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I think there could be a reset back to the 'normal' timeline, but I don't think that reset will mean the ship will look like the 1966 design. I can accept that the reason for the ship looking different is simply because this film is being made in 2008.

Having said that, I do realize that even resetting back to "normal" Star Trek history is very problematic due to the fact that mainstream audiences for the most part don't know what "normal" is. This film would somehow need to establish to the non-fans the baseline "normal" timeline that fans are all familar with, and I don't think that is possible to do in a coherent 2-hour film.

 

[JoeZhang]

I think there could be a reset back to the 'normal' timeline, but I don't think that reset will mean the ship will look like the 1966 design. I can accept that the reason for the ship looking different is simply because this film is being made in 2008.

Having said that, I do realize that even resetting back to "normal" Star Trek history is very problematic due to the fact that mainstream audiences for the most part don't know what "normal" is. This film would somehow need to establish to the non-fans the baseline "normal" timeline that fans are all familar with, and I don't think that is possible to do in a coherent 2-hour film.

I doubt it gets much deeper than "the future is now really dark because it was change" and then "the future is bright again..."

 

[BenRoethig]

Hi, folks! My first post here. Hope it starts a good conversation.

Here's my theory about the new movie. We know it takes place in the NG era, after Nemesis. Spock is on Romulus working toward reunification of the Vulcan and Romulan peoples. Nero, for whatever reason is adamantly opposed to this and obtains technology for time travel (I really wish it had been a Romulan assault on the Guardian of Forever and not a time ship, but what's a body to do). Spock tries to contact Vulcan.....but there is no Vulcan. Everyhting has changed. Somehow Spock has been protected from teh chnage in the timeline (perhaps by his former travel thru the Guardian?) and attempts to correct the timeline. He manages to locate and steal a smaller time ship that is locked on to the temporal coordinates of Nero's ship and heads back intime to correct the timeline.

Remember, everyhting that takes place in the movie is in an altered timeline. I the end, Vulcan is saved. The timeline is "corrected"... and at the end of the movie we see the Enterprise like we know her (not the version released so far)...but there are small differences. By and large the timeline is restored to "normal" but differences remain. These differences are what allow TOS to be reinvented and updated with 21st century grphics and sets and sotries, etc.

Let the madcap discussion begin.

I think you're on the right track except for the last part. The Constitution class appearances in TNG, DS9, and Enterprise were meant as much to be an inside joke as the episodes were serious. The ship needed a refresh that was still recognisible. The original Constitution looked less advanced than the NX-01 and it needed way more than a year and a half to be refitted to the ship we saw in TMP. I think the new design does both very effectively.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

I think there could be a reset back to the 'normal' timeline, but I don't think that reset will mean the ship will look like the 1966 design. I can accept that the reason for the ship looking different is simply because this film is being made in 2008.

Having said that, I do realize that even resetting back to "normal" Star Trek history is very problematic due to the fact that mainstream audiences for the most part don't know what "normal" is. This film would somehow need to establish to the non-fans the baseline "normal" timeline that fans are all familar with, and I don't think that is possible to do in a coherent 2-hour film.

You're right about mainstream audiences not even knowing what "normal" is.

It would also have to be a valuable change in the context of the story. Why is the timeline change at the end of the story a positive thing? Why is this something the characters want to happen? It can't just happen for no good reason, or even just to fit the canon. There would have to be something inherently wrong with the new timeline for the characters to want it to change and for the audience to want the characters to change it.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Basic idea as far as I can tell:

- Nero and gang go back to do something Bad, and alter the timeline in doing so.
- Spock somehow, hidden, travels back WITH them.
- Events transpire that take Nero out of the action for a few years (The plot starts the movie, but is put into the background as we get to know some of the characters at the Academy etc.)
- Nero returns at about Graduation time, and starts wreaking havoc.
- Spock Prime (older spock who traveled back with Nero) then works covertly to set some things straight with the help of the newly assembled crew, and the events cement and form some of the relationships and positions.
- At the end of the film, some things remain permanently altered, but the crew of the Enterprise survive the changes ready for future adventures.

 

[BenRoethig]

Basic idea as far as I can tell:

- Nero and gang go back to do something Bad, and alter the timeline in doing so.
- Spock somehow, hidden, travels back WITH them.
- Events transpire that take Nero out of the action for a few years (The plot starts the movie, but is put into the background as we get to know some of the characters at the Academy etc.)
- Nero returns at about Graduation time, and starts wreaking havoc.
- Spock Prime (older spock who traveled back with Nero) then works covertly to set some things straight with the help of the newly assembled crew, and the events cement and form some of the relationships and positions.
- At the end of the film, some things remain permanently altered, but the crew of the Enterprise survive the changes ready for future adventures.

The last part is what we don't know, how it ends.

 

[thericediet]

Hey so Im new to this but how much do we really know about the storyline anyway? Does Nero really time travel? As I said Im new and looking for some answers, help me Im so excited I need info. Also, where is a good place to find all this good Trek news, Im having a hard time finding it.

 

[EJD1984]

I've been doing a little thinking, and piecing things together from various sources regarding the storyline & trailer............

I've got a strong suspicion that what we're seeing in the trailer is clips from about the first 75% of the movie, and that the real storyline surprises are going to be kept under wraps until release day.

 

[JBElliott]

...Somehow Spock has been protected from teh chnage in the timeline...

Spock is protected from the time line changes because he's been in a temporal deprovation tank to help him deal with his Bandai Syndrome.

Also because of his Bandai Syndrome, he's not sure whether the things he sees (e.g. the things in the movie) are real or not.

Let's hope not.

 

[M'Sharak]

Hey so Im new to this but how much do we really know about the storyline anyway? Does Nero really time travel? As I said Im new and looking for some answers, help me Im so excited I need info. Also, where is a good place to find all this good Trek news, Im having a hard time finding it.

While there are certainly other Trek news sources, TrekMovie.com is one pretty good bet, and often includes links to other articles. Another is our own TrekToday, found in the link on the right of each page here. Discussions of TrekToday articles may be found in our TrekToday News Items forum.

That ought to be enough to keep you busy for a little while, and welcome to the funhouse!