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A Stitch in Time--"Especially the lies..."

Nerys Ghemor

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I am very curious to know if I'm the only one who thought this...

Did anybody else get the impression that Garak took liberties with the truth in A Stitch in Time? If so, in what ways? Where do you think he told the truth, and where do you think he was lying? What was his motivation for his choices in either respect?

I'll share my own theories on where I think I caught him in a major whopper and why he did it--but I'd be interested to see what you guys think, first.
 
Well, of course he lied. Or, maybe he told the truth about lying, or was lying about telling the truth.

He's Garak :)
 
For the most part, I'm inclined to believe most of what Garak said in his letters to Bashir. Perhaps that's naive of me considering his history, but I like to believe considering his emotional state he was in at the time he sent those letters that he was telling Bashir the truth.
 
Interestingly enough...it's not the episodic facts I'm doubting the most. It's more the...internal stuff I couldn't help feeling like he wasn't being entirely truthful on, perhaps to keep Bashir from pitying him and wanting to reach out and "help" him with.

We've seen Cardassians lose their minds three times in the series that I can remember (well, in one case that person might not have actually been insane, but was definitely deeply haunted): Aamin Marritza, Silaran Prin, and Skrain Dukat. At least to me--let's just say I have a hard time squaring some of Garak's comments with their statements and behavior...especially Marritza's, because he was the most sane of the three and the most likely to give us some real insight into what was going on in his head.
 
Even the most honest memoirist is reporting a subjective account. As we learned in my history classes, a memoir cannot be taken as a primary source for the events the author describes, only as a primary source for the author's interpretation of those events. It's always necessary to get supporting evidence from other sources rather than taking the contents of the memoir at face value.

So at best, A Stitch in Time tells us how Garak remembers the events of his life, not how they actually happened in detail. That's if he was trying to be as honest as possible. Even the best of us construct our memories into narratives reflecting our beliefs about ourselves and others, narratives that are more coherent and have more straightforward cause and effect than the reality probably did. We confuse our memories with other memories or imagined events, alter our memories over time, etc. And the further back in time an event is, the more unreliable the account becomes.

But this is Garak we're talking about, so yes, I do believe that his definition of truth is... situational. He will report events in a way that suits his goals. And I don't think he's above poetic embellishment just for the sake of art. Garak always treated lying as an art form.

There are a couple of points in particular where I'm more comfortable believing they're inaccurate or exaggerated accounts rather than literal reports. One is the description of Garak's experiences at the time of the Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor and Terok Nor, which clashes with the Millennium trilogy's depiction of those events. The other is something involving some sort of constellation that flickered in a certain way that was believed to be someone sending a message, something like that -- which doesn't make much astrophysical sense. I prefer to believe that was figurative, a myth that Garak was incorporating in his narrative for some symbolic reason.
 
This may sound weird--but I actually find Garak most likely to be truthful when he describes his religious experiences.

I have had certain experiences myself, though obviously they had a particular form tailored to me and my life (excuse the pun). And those are the memories that stand out the most clearly out of anything else in my life. Obviously no one else can know as I do what I have experienced...but they are some of the most central experiences to who I am and the hardest to forget. Maybe the way that constellation blinked was a natural phenomenon--or maybe Garak was having another one of his visions (which according to numerous scenes he's prone to), but there was definitely some sort of intervention (I would assume, within that story, from Oralius) that either caused him to receive a natural phenomenon with additional spiritual meaning, or to enter an altered state that made him see things differently. He saw it. Why or how he saw it, I don't know--but that part and his other visions I actually believe more than anything else.

Here's the part I DON'T buy. That whole Cardassian psychological model thing...if that's actually true of the entire Cardassian race, then there are definitely some Cardassians with hangups over the past that he's going to have a hell of a lot of trouble explaining. Either Garak's the one with some abnormal psychology going on, OR he made it all up to keep Bashir from trying to "fix" him.

And he even attests to having lied to a naive Federation person who tried to befriend him once before, about the customs and ways of his people.

I think IF he's telling the whole truth, explaining Aamin Marritza and Silaran Prin would take him a LOT of work. Dukat--you could POSSIBLY make a case of him having flash-forwards, but even his hallucinations still had one foot in the past.
 
Even the best of us [..] confuse our memories with other memories or imagined events, alter our memories over time, etc.

One wonders whether the Cardassians, who pride themselves on near-eidetic memories and disciplined minds, are less susceptible to this than "the best of us"...

That is, they would be just as disingenious about their lives in public as we are, but they might have a superior ability of keeping the lies sorted out in their disciplined minds.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I was thinking the same thing--that's why I'm more inclined to doubt Garak's descriptions of his motives and other inner workings of his mind than of the actual events in many cases.

Then again, that kind of memory might also make Garak more effective at remembering what lies he told to who, and when.
 
Marritza would count as Deeply Haunted and most honest with himself of the lot.

Yeah, and when he really let the floodgates open, there is NO way for anybody to claim his past wasn't affecting his every move. Yes, there was a "future" element in there too (the belief that he could shine a light on what was going on)--but trying to explain how it would work future-to-past in his case, the way Garak says it does, just does NOT make sense. Period. That's why I think Garak made that part up.

Plus--check out Maladek's little hangup, RIGHT IN GARAK'S OWN STORY. Yeah, there's SOME future-to-past (the worry about his father's reaction), but how did Maladek work himself into that kind of state to begin with?

(Which, incidentally, is the very same time period where he recounts telling a lie about his people's customs and motivations...I personally took that as a clue to take such statements with a healthy grain of skepticism.)
 
I think, considering that this is Garak we're talking about here, that what he would want us to believe is true is just as interesting as what actually happened. He is just such a strategic thinker that his lies probably have more purpose and insight behind them than most people's truths.

Creditorly yours, the Rent Woman
 
At any rate...just remember this profound philosophical discussion, in which Bashir and Garak discuss the truth of (Garak's) life:

"So...of all the stories you told me...which ones were true...and which ones were not?"

"My dear doctor...they're all true!":cool:

"Even the lies?":)

"Especially...the lies....":D
 
I read that book a while back, but from what i remember of it Id have to say he was being truthful. He was always MOSTLY sincere with Bashir(hey that rhymed!) during the show so I am inclinded to say that we did get an honest picture of what happened.
 
I read that book a while back, but from what i remember of it Id have to say he was being truthful. He was always MOSTLY sincere with Bashir(hey that rhymed!) during the show so I am inclinded to say that we did get an honest picture of what happened.

Just curious, on what grounds do you determine he's generally truthful with Bashir? Not saying that's not possible...I'm just curious why you make such a firm conclusion out of that.
 
^ True, I thought he usually was deceptive to teach Bashir to think, to reason, to put things together... Sometimes there were truths within it, or pieces of facts in a jumble I guess...
 
My two younger brothers moved to another state about 20 years ago and when I visit them, and listen to them remembering our mutual childhoods, I sometimes wonder if I really did share so many of my earliest years in the same household. Because they live in close proximity to each other, but our parents have moved to another state, and we all rarely see each other very often, my brothers' anecdotes have been embellished and rewritten/reimagined between themselves - so that I barely recognise them.

Knowing how loose, by his own admission, Garak can be with the truth, I took all of "A Stitch in Time" as Garak's truth of the moment. ;)
 
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