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A standalone DW movie (a suggestion, not news!)

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This thread was a little bit inspired by the title of another one currently in the forum, namely 'An American Doctor?'. That one is about a fan-pic with the titular US actor as the Doc but when I read it, I thought it was about how people would react to an American being officially cast as The Doctor.

So, in slightly similar vein, I'm wondering how fans would react to or even make a standalone official movie that didn't affect the tv series. Something like the Peter Cushing movies in the 1960s. Peter Cushing was elderly and a little crusty like William Hartnell and he journeyed in a TARDIS but he clearly wasn't the same incarnation (nor could he have been any future incarnation). The stories were a bit of amalgams of tv plots that had already aired.

So let's imagine that a Hollywood studio buys the rights to a DW movie but doesn't want to cast Matt Smith or David Tennant in the lead role. Nor do they want to be overly worried about almost 50 years of backstory or continuity. They do, however, want to cast someone charismatic and Doctor-ish in the main role, they want someone charismatic and villainous as The Master and they want to include the Daleks. And naturally, the TARDIS, time travel and an assistant/ companion will be included. It won't be part of the continuity of the current series but it won't affect it either.

How would you like to see such an undertaking? Or how would you make it if given a role as creative consultant? Would you cast a big-name actor but have him play the Doctor in the vein of a previous incarnation? Say, Sean Bean or Robert Carlyle playing an Eccleston-esque Doctor. Or Ian McKellen doing a Hartnell type take? Or would you want someone doing an entirely new take on the Doctor, the way all of the tv actors have done to date? Would you cast young(ish) - Ioan Grufyd, Orlando Bloom, middle-aged - Ralph Fiennes, Daniel Day-Lewis - or old - McKellen, John Hurt, Anthony Hopkins? Or would you - gasp - cast an American?

How would you do the Master? Would he have to have a black pointy beard or could he do a new take on the role, like Sims or Eric Roberts? Would the new companion be a sexy glamour puss or someone more in the vein of Catherine Tate? And what plot would you have? Your own take on the Time War (remember, it wouldn't contradict anything in the tv series).

Or is it just such a horrible idea that you couldn't countenance it? But bear in mind that DW has frequently done alternate takes in the radio, audio and internet versions, so this wouldn't be a first!
 
Wouldn't be canon, so it wouldn't be Doctor Who.

Besides, an American Doctor is almost as much blasphemy than "I'm half human."

Tho, that didn't happen. Did it guys?

Oh, quick edit. If they were to go ahead and make an American film on Doctor Who (I can see it now, the Doctor running around with explosions everywhere, duel wielding sonic screwdrivers that actually fire bullets when they need to). The Doctor would be a very American actor, but I've always imagined Anthony Hopkins (is he American or English? I always forget) as The Doctor (but he'll use an American accent, of course). And in true American spirit, the villian would be someone with a thick English accent, and probably played by Jude Law, and the companion would be Megan Fox.

All of that (except maybe the Hopkins part), completely against everything Doctor Who is. Megan Fox especially (I hate that woman).

Luckly though, they'll never get the rights.
 
Sir Anthony's Welsh, but now has US citizenship.

I'd get Micael Bay to direct, the Doctor would hang out with the American branch of UNIT and there'd be loads of AWESOME explosions and the Doctor would carry and use guns and the Daleks would transform and I'd cast Will Smith as the Doctor, Jessica Alba as the companion and it'd be AWESOME!
 
Sir Anthony's Welsh, but now has US citizenship.

I'd get Micael Bay to direct, the Doctor would hang out with the American branch of UNIT and there'd be loads of AWESOME explosions and the Doctor would carry and use guns and the Daleks would transform and I'd cast Will Smith as the Doctor, Jessica Alba as the companion and it'd be AWESOME!

I'm hoping that, in my drunken state (yes, I'm drunk at half 5), that this was more sarcasm than anything else, you seemed to get involved in to it by the very end :P.

WHen you said Michael Bay, I almost cried at the thought of Michael Bay appearing in any Doctor Who credit.
 
These days, everything is so canon-happy that I don't think a redo of what was done in the 1960s with Peter Cushing would work. There'd be too much of a demand for it to be connected to the main canon in some way. And there might also be the risk of overexposure if the film version started sparking sequels (we saw a little bit of this with the duelling Terminator projects this year, and will be seeing it happen again if the proposed BSG reboot movie is released in competition with Caprica, and up till fairly recently there was still supposed to be a Prisoner movie, despite the AMC miniseries.

A movie set in canon would be OK (X-Files managed it) but as a separate continuity, I don't think it would work unless they established an alternate reality in the narrative, and I'm afraid Star Trek already fired that bullet.

Alex
 
Forced to do an independent production? Let's think about it.

What makes Doctor Who, Doctor Who? Obviously, when you break it completely down, it is the very British-ness of the whole thing. It's one of the UK's greatest modern mythologies. If you are to eliminate the Britness from Who, then you are left with a charmless science fiction shell: Time Traveling Alien Superhero.

And that, to me, is a proper definition between what would be either a British production (Doctor Who) or an American production (Time Traveling Alien Superhero). The decision becomes: Do you do a British production with a Hollywood budget? Or, an American production with same?

What is the goal of the film? To bring in viewers and create fans? What kind of viewers and fans? Do you want to attract them to the existing franchise? If so, then why do an independent production? Just do a BBC movie with the current Doctor and frame the story as a gateway film for the tv show. This would not only satisfy your current stable demographic that supports the show but, theoretically, increase that fanbase.

However, if the goal is to attract a new, different breed of fan for an ongoing, secondary franchise....with the intention of creating a Doctor Who film franchise that would have the comparable status of what the new Star Trek movie is to the original 1960's Trek....then you have to examine what your demographic would be. What age range and/or nationality are you trying to attract?

Let's face it: no matter how much any of us would love that British and American tastes could coincide with each other more naturally, it comes down to the very truthful fact that attracting a US audience to a British production is an uphill battle on all fronts. Right off the bat, the accents will instantly shave a percentage of your attendance. Just the facts of ignorance, really. That's life. After that, everything from cultural-entendres to a less than masculine leading character would just make it all a hard sell outside a niche market.

So, then you are faced with the idea of making it for an American audience. If you do it half-and-half, you run the risk of doing another TVMovie. However, since there was more than an accent wrong with that one, I wouldn't use it as a sole litmus result.

Thus, weighing all of this, I would find a British actor that Americans are already familiar with...Hugh Laurie...or, those that are at least used to acting for an American audience...Eddie Izzard. I would attempt to stay away from bigger names unless they were perfect for the role, nor would I want ones already known to American audiences as a pre-exisiting scifi character (ala' Liam Neeson). This actor needs to be able to carve out his spot as The Doctor, like Chris Pine did with Kirk.

The companion would have to be an American. It's predictable, but necessary to the plot. And, let's face it, if you don't have at least the hint of sexuality in this movie, it's not going anywhere past the nerd crowd. The Doctor will have to be what he sort of already is under Tennant...and that would something resembling a sex-symbol. Don't need a pretty-boy or anything. But you'd better have something that could attract women. It's just one of those things audiences seem to crave, no matter how much I detest the predictability. But, like the show, I would leave it all open to interpretation. It's the scent of it all that attracts people, not the meal.

Also, I wouldn't have The Master. Nor the Daleks. Just The Doctor meets companion and goes on wild ride/quest/mission/misadventure full of comedy, action, monsters, and a touch of romance. Leave the rest of the franchise players for the sequels. The first one should be just about introducing The Doctor's world to the companion/audience.



Yeah, that was pretty long. Sorry. :techman:
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a movie abut the master vs. the Daleks.

Which is just Baltar vs. the Cylons with less sex.

Though, with his super tissue (Remember the upgrade in planet of fire.) compression eliminator as his.... Do you think that that could reduce a Dalek casing?
 
Sir Anthony's Welsh, but now has US citizenship.

I'd get Micael Bay to direct, the Doctor would hang out with the American branch of UNIT and there'd be loads of AWESOME explosions and the Doctor would carry and use guns and the Daleks would transform and I'd cast Will Smith as the Doctor, Jessica Alba as the companion and it'd be AWESOME!

I'm hoping that, in my drunken state (yes, I'm drunk at half 5), that this was more sarcasm than anything else, you seemed to get involved in to it by the very end :P.

WHen you said Michael Bay, I almost cried at the thought of Michael Bay appearing in any Doctor Who credit.

i was ripping the piss, yes.
 
For some reason, I imagine that the ideal director for any DW movie, whether 'canon' or independent, would be Danny Boyle. He's British, he's done scary (28 Days Later), space (Sunshine) and he's done, er, Eccleston (28, Shallow Grave).
 
Well, ST:Enterprise did two episodes entirely in the Mirror Universe. Perhaps a standalone Who movie could do the same? (i.e. Inferno)
 
^As in "ripping" means "taking it out violently"?

Anyhoooo....


I doubt he would ever sign up for another TV series, but I think that, for a one-off stand-alone movie, Johnny Depp would be an interesting Doctor.

I also think an interesting movie that would be tied into continuity but wouldn't have the incumbent Doctor would be an origin story, with someone playing a young William Hartnell.
 
i was ripping the piss, yes.

"Taking the piss"

If "ripping" still means "farting" then you are describing a very serious medical problem.

I lol'ed.

I forgot I even posted in this thread last night, oh well.

And Mr. Laser Beam (great name by the way), going back to what The posted, which I completely agree with, an American Doctor Who would just be an empty shell of the show. A time-travelling alien superhero would be left in the wake of our show.
 
^As in "ripping" means "taking it out violently"?

Anyhoooo....


I doubt he would ever sign up for another TV series, but I think that, for a one-off stand-alone movie, Johnny Depp would be an interesting Doctor.

I also think an interesting movie that would be tied into continuity but wouldn't have the incumbent Doctor would be an origin story, with someone playing a young William Hartnell.

Funny, I was thinking that too about Depp. And he could probably do it in an English or American accent.

Good idea re Hartnell - though technically, isn't that 'yet another prequel'?! :p
 
I think "Journey's End" could have been a movie. It had the stakes set so outrageously high -- the villian had a reality bomb, after all -- and featured Daleks, Davros returning, and just about every NuWho character there is. Now as for the quality of a choice for a movie, well, I'll leave that open to debate.
 
I also think an interesting movie that would be tied into continuity but wouldn't have the incumbent Doctor would be an origin story, with someone playing a young William Hartnell.

Someone floated this idea as a theory regarding Matt Smith's actual Doctor# in another thread here recently, and I have to say the idea has really stuck with me. I mean, we came in right near the end of his life, so there's got to be a lot of stories to tell (except stuff like the Daleks, which we saw him meet for the first time).
 
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