He's trying so desperately hard to be such a cliched Trump supporter that it's hard to take him seriously.
A Roseanne revival? Really??
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He's trying so desperately hard to be such a cliched Trump supporter that it's hard to take him seriously.
Political correctness is not the same as not being racist. Or rather, being racist is a subset of being politically incorrect. There's millions of people out there who are politically incorrect without being racist. South Park has been doing it for decades.
And anyone who thinks that telling somebody that calling a Black Muslim a terrorist ape is wrong is just being 'politically correct' is trying to sell their racism as counterculturism. When really, it's just plain racism.
So yes, political correctness is stupid. Political correctness is editing reality toward an ideal and penalizing anyone who denies the illusion. Where political correctness and I can completely agree, however, is that Roseanne is a f***ing racist. What Roseanne tweeted is not maverick counterculturism, it's plain unadulterated hate.
And Bill Maher's politics are fine but he sucks because he's not funny. He's like what liberal political comedy was in the 90s before Jon Stewart made it intelligent, only he's still doing it that way.
And anyone who thinks that telling somebody that calling a Black Muslim a terrorist ape is wrong is just being 'politically correct' is trying to sell their racism as counterculturism. When really, it's just plain racism.
So yes, political correctness is stupid. Political correctness is editing reality toward an ideal and penalizing anyone who denies the illusion. Where political correctness and I can completely agree, however, is that Roseanne is a f***ing racist. What Roseanne tweeted is not maverick counterculturism, it's plain unadulterated hate.
And Bill Maher's politics are fine but he sucks because he's not funny. He's like what liberal political comedy was in the 90s before Jon Stewart made it intelligent, only he's still doing it that way.
He'd also tear to shreds the racist misogynist xenophobic buffoon of a president you've based your entire forum identity on, so I wouldn't go robbing his grave looking for an ally.This man wouldn't last a day on Twitter
Political Correctness reminds me of 1984.
Change the meaning of words, to control the language, to control the people.
Change the meaning of words, to control the language, to control the people.
Maher fucking sucks, he's as edgy as a Family Guy episode.
There is truth in that actually.This man wouldn't last a day on Twitter
Actually I think the random woman Roseanne was making fun of isn't actually Muslim, Roseanne is just being more ignorant / racist in thinking everyone born in Iran has to be Muslim. But I could be wrong.
But otherwise
Wow, she's getting Cosby'd...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...oseanne-reruns-schedules-racist-tweet-1115518
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...oseanne-reruns-schedules-racist-tweet-1115518
I agree. I'm very much against political correctness when it comes to things like fiction and humor. While I think the idea that anything is open to humor is true. not ever risque joke is innocent. With her you get the feeling she was just trying to be insulting to be mean. The joke is your suppose to think their is some truth in what she is saying which is why it's racist instead of making a similar joke about how that kind of thinking is stupid. Also it's on twitter. If you do risque humor doesn't that almost require a performance to illustrate the humor so it's more than a bunch of Risque words and phrases without any context? Trying to do comedy in tweets seems kind of stupid. Granted i'm not sold on her even trying to make it a joke. It's hard to tell with comedians when they are being earnest and when they are trying to be funny and I can see this as her letting some honest views out because of whatever personal issues she has that makes her have those views.
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This really isn't about political correctness, it's not like saying Oriental instead of Asian or something, likening a black woman to an ape is something else. Shit, I remember 20 some years ago playing with my little mixed race baby cousin at a park and calling her a little monkey because of her antics and then immediately checking myself and realized what I was saying and looking around nervously in fear of having to explain myself to someone.
When people get fired from national TV shows for saying something racist, it isn't usually a great idea to come to this board and repeat/endorse that comment.
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If somebody tells you who they really are, believe them. Roseanne told us who she really was, and told a joke that revealed how she really felt about another religion and another race.
And firing somebody for public racism is not a violation of the first amendment. Imprisoning her would be, but that's not on the table. Firing her is just a private company protecting its brand.
And firing somebody for public racism is not a violation of the first amendment. Imprisoning her would be, but that's not on the table. Firing her is just a private company protecting its brand.
That'll hurt all of them a lot more than the current show getting the axe.
That's true but I don't mind when the first amendment angle is considered because it's important to always weigh first amendment issues in cases like this. It's always good to keep the debate going to make sure you don't go down a slippery slope. I think she deserved to be fired. The question though is what are her rights now that she has been fired. Does she ever get allowed to work again? Racism isn't illegal but companies should also be free to not want racist working for them. I sort of see it along the lines of companies hiring ex-con's. Do they have the right to not hire someone who has already paid their debt to society just because of their personal history that has no connection to the kind of job they will be doing. Is the NFL okay with not hiring a football player who refuses to stand for the anthem because their argument has also been that it hurt's their brand? I don't think a player should be banned because of that but I am also a liberal and I don't much care about "honoring" a piece of cloth so doesn't that make me biased?
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Applying a label like "PC" to what's actually a range of ideas and desired standards for discourse itself bears an almost literal similarity to the argument Orwell was making about the use of language in 1984. One of the goals of successive revisions of the Newspeak dictionary was to reduce the number of words in the language and therefore make it impossible to express ideas with nuance or subtlety.
Much of what's decried as "PC" is simply insistence upon courtesy and respect for others. And I think that a tendency toward verbosity, rather than reductive abbreviation of meaning, is something of a hallmark of it for better or worse - you can call "differently abled," as a random example, an insistence upon euphemism or you can see the intent as being to substitute a less dismissive perspective regarding the point of view of people who make use of different assistive devices and services than do the majority of the population.
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Yep. If calling a kid dumb or fat is not PC, it's because those things are considered to be really rude things to say to someone. Or if telling jokes based on racial stereotypes is not PC, it's because those jokes are deemed to be racist. I think some folks who are mad at the PC police are just mad that they are not being allowed to be racist or sexist anymore.
Well, they're allowed - they just have to live with the consequences of really pissing off friends, coworkers, bosses, etc. In terms of both workplace behavior and "bringing the organization into disrepute" that can certainly include loss of one's position.
You know damn well that every contract Roseanne has signed in this century contains clauses that apply to this - it's boilerplate now.
You know damn well that every contract Roseanne has signed in this century contains clauses that apply to this - it's boilerplate now.
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