A-Rod's troubles

[RAMA]

Personally, I feel steroids should be allowed in sports under supervised conditions, and that it should be used as a supplement. Under those circumstances steroids are far less dangerous than eating junk food every day. Tens of millions have died from food related conditions, how many have died from steroids in all of the world over time? Estimates I have seen put it at 100.

RAMA

I find a certain hypocrisy in your position. It's ok to use drugs for something that you believe in - bodybuilding and athletics, but not to operate one's own (sovereign?) mind? Biceps good, consciousness bad? Perhaps you are not aware of the term entheogens, as I in no way defend drug addiction/abuse or using sacred plants and sacraments in a purely secular, "let's get fucked up", kind of way, nor pushing such a decision on anyone else. Anyway, I'm not looking to derail the thread -
I tend to agree with you however. Steroids are a very useful drug in medicine, and utilizing them in a controlled, non-underground way is probably much more realistic in the long run. The current mood of prohibition will not last. Players will use them, ways will be found to defeat drug tests. As long as there are multimillion dollar contracts on the line, anyway.
Want to nick steroids in sports? Salary cap for players: 50,000/year. After all, they're just playing a fucking game for a living. But that would be un-American. We need our baseball Gods.
Supervised and regulated useage, rather than a stupid, "drugs are bad" attitude, is realistically the only thing that can be done here. It's not going away.

I don't have too much time to go into it now....however, the very numbers I posted on my report of deaths ( 26,000 to 0, not to mention adverse health effects and misery of consciousness altering drugs) are a reason WHY. That would seem obvious! Steroids can have a positive effect on health in almost every case, cocaine for example does not.

RAMA

 

[T'Baio]

I wonder how RAMA got so big?

 

[CaptainStoner]

I wonder how RAMA got so big?

The guy eats his Wheaties.

 

[Tom Servo]

Bah I just saw a report on his news conference...his home runs aren't tainted at all. He may have hit what, 10-15 home runs more than avg total over 3 years? Silly. Stop apologizing A-rod!!

RAMA

^^ Does that mean you think steroids are safe and should be allowed in sports?

I think I said that already didn't I???? Let me get this straight....anabolic steroids have side effects, they can almost all be mitigated with a few safe precautions. Most people NEVER get the side effects even if they take them incorrectly. However, taken in the correct quantities, and not ABUSED like any other drug the numbers and science SHOW they are safe(and far, far safer than eating burgers and fries every other day). If MLB or other bodies regulated them with doctor supervision I would be all for them if they are used as a supplement.

RAMA

It does not matter if they are dangerous or not, that is not the point. The point is that the steroids were ILLEGAL in the United States in 2003. They were illegal. That means not only he cheated within the game, he broke the law. His homeruns are tainted. He should apologize, he screwed up, and now he is trying to downplay the damage.

 

[DaleC76]

^^ Right. How many people die a year because of blood doping?

Steroids aren't banned because they're dangerous. Like doping, they're considered to be an unfair and unnatural advantage for the user.

Bah I just saw a report on his news conference...his home runs aren't tainted at all. He may have hit what, 10-15 home runs more than avg total over 3 years? Silly. Stop apologizing A-rod!!

A-Rod averaged 52 HRs per 162-game seasons from 2001-2003. The rest of his career, he has averaged 41 per 162 game season. That's a substantial difference. In those three years, he hit almost four seasons' worth of HRs.

 

[RAMA]

^^ Right. How many people die a year because of blood doping?

Steroids aren't banned because they're dangerous. Like doping, they're considered to be an unfair and unnatural advantage for the user.

Bah I just saw a report on his news conference...his home runs aren't tainted at all. He may have hit what, 10-15 home runs more than avg total over 3 years? Silly. Stop apologizing A-rod!!

A-Rod averaged 52 HRs per 162-game seasons from 2001-2003. The rest of his career, he has averaged 41 per 162 game season. That's a substantial difference. In those three years, he hit almost four seasons' worth of HRs.

That's what I said, isn't it? So its 30 home runs over a career....yeah he's tainted.

 

[RAMA]

Bah I just saw a report on his news conference...his home runs aren't tainted at all. He may have hit what, 10-15 home runs more than avg total over 3 years? Silly. Stop apologizing A-rod!!

RAMA

^^ Does that mean you think steroids are safe and should be allowed in sports?

I think I said that already didn't I???? Let me get this straight....anabolic steroids have side effects, they can almost all be mitigated with a few safe precautions. Most people NEVER get the side effects even if they take them incorrectly. However, taken in the correct quantities, and not ABUSED like any other drug the numbers and science SHOW they are safe(and far, far safer than eating burgers and fries every other day). If MLB or other bodies regulated them with doctor supervision I would be all for them if they are used as a supplement.

RAMA

It does not matter if they are dangerous or not, that is not the point. The point is that the steroids were ILLEGAL in the United States in 2003. They were illegal. That means not only he cheated within the game, he broke the law. His homeruns are tainted. He should apologize, he screwed up, and now he is trying to downplay the damage.

You are correct, they are illegal. However Congress listened to irate parent's testimony over the scientist's testimony in banning them in 1991! Its the same crap that got ephedra banned...lots of moronic publicity and little real information. So what, yeah we have to live with it, but is A-Rod a bad guy? Hell no.

On June 21, 2005, Real Sports aired a segment discussing the legality and prohibition of anabolic steroids in America.[105] The show featured Gary I. Wadler, M.D., chairman of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and a prominent anti-steroid activist. When pressed for scientific evidence by correspondent Armen Keteyian that anabolic steroids are as "highly fatal" as is often claimed, Wadler admitted there was no evidence. Bryant Gumbel concluded the "hoopla" concerning the dangers of anabolic steroids in the media was "all smoke and no fire".

The medical community was not blind to the fact that AAS were regularly distributed outside legal channels; in December of 1986, the American Medical Association (AMA) published a report that endorsed the efforts of law enforcement to curb illegal distribution of AAS and promoted educational efforts to increase public understanding of the issues surrounding the use of AAS.13 Nevertheless, the AMA opposed the criminalization of AAS because government regulation of prescription drugs already existed, and because AAS did not meet the traditional criteria for scheduling drugs as controlled substances.14 Despite this opposition, a few vocal practitioners published studies and lobbied strenuously for AAS to be classified as illicit drugs.15 As a result, the Anabolic Steroids COntrol Act was passed into law by the federal legislature, and AAS were classified as Schedule III controlled substances.

I wonder how RAMA got so big?

You're right, I WOULD be taking them if they were legal. I'm not a millionaire like baseball players and couldn't really survive the consequences of being caught.

RAMA

 

[Tom Servo]

It does not matter whether or not they should be banned. They were. Thats it, done, they were illegal. He still cheated and broke the law. That is what mattered.

 

[Neroon]

I have to say that after A-Rod's "press conference"..... I don't know what to think anymore. Except to think he's obviously not telling the whole truth. AND that I'm sick of the whole subject of steroids in baseball anymore.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I have to say that after A-Rod's "press conference"..... I don't know what to think anymore. Except to think he's obviously not telling the whole truth. AND that I'm sick of the whole subject of steroids in baseball anymore.

I am too...this is what they need to do to fix this (but they won't):

1) Identify ALL juiced players.

2) Strip them of all titles and records (MVP, Home Run, etc)

3) Ban them for life and make them ineligible for Hall of Fame

4) Fine any team caught with a juiced player heavily and strip any championship titles.

What all that boils down to is: you WILL play a clean game or YOU WON"T PLAY!

Hockey needs to clean up IT'S act too and get the damn brawlers off of the ice.

It's time society make sports WHOLESOME again!

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

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Hockey needs to clean up IT'S act too and get the damn brawlers off of the ice.

There's a big difference between cheating and seeking an unfair advantage and something that's part of the game.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

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Hockey needs to clean up IT'S act too and get the damn brawlers off of the ice.

There's a big difference between cheating and seeking an unfair advantage and something that's part of the game.

The objective in hockey is to get the puck into the goal, not to bash some other player's head in.

Brawling is unsportsmanlike conduct. Period. Full stop.

I say again: It's time to make sport WHOLESOME again. No cheats. No bad sportsmen. No moral turpitude off field.

 

[mrcoaster]

Remember last week when I was incredulous that people were giving credit to A-Rod for admitting something after he'd been caught? Well, after the last couple of days...I told you so. Everything he says turns out to be another lie. Oh, wait. He does apparently have a cousin. That part was true.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

Yeah, but according to Jimmy Buffett, everybody's got a cousin in Miami.

 

[gblews]

A-Rod's admissions are further proof that Major League Baseball is a complete and utter joke.

Is it any moreso than the NBA and the NFL, each of which has a myriad of its own problems.

Don't lump the NBA in with the NFL and MLB. The NBA doesn't have a single problem as great as MLB's drug problem and the NFL's criminal behavior problems.

But, IMO, MLB has the biggest problem mainly because the perception is that the League passive/aggerssively condoned drug use because of the positive effect it was having on the game's popularity. Well MLB got what it wanted in terms of a "rebirth" after the last strike, but now the bill has come due and they're paying for it -- kind of like how a junkie pays after the euphoria of being high wears off.