A quick question about USS Intrepid
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I think she's NCC-1631. Or something very, very close to that registry...something in the 1600-99 range. But the CGI ship used in the Remastered "Court Martial" uses the same registry the written ENCYCLOPEDIAs and CD-ROM OMNIPEDIA listed as belonging to the ship in the '90s.
It's NCC-1631.
To be sure, the TOS-R treatment doesn't even clearly show us that the ship flying in formation with the wounded Enterprise is the Intrepid. The angle of the saucer is too acute for the pennants to be read clearly. All we can really see is that the registry is NCC-16somethingsomething and the name is USS Somethingorother.
Which I guess is all good and well. The Intrepid was supposedly bumped off the repairs schedule in favor of Kirk's ship, while the ship seen in TOS-R doesn't seem all that "bumped". The logic of bumping the ship that had the 1831 registry and the 120% status on the "Star Ship Status" chart always escaped me anyway: why would a ship at more than 100% status be in the repair queue to begin with? More likely that the bumped ship was one of those with the percentage between zero and 100.
Also, if the Intrepid were that intact-looking, one would think she would have partaken in the efforts to save the plummeting Enterprise. It would be nicer to think that most of the ships being repaired at the starbase were more or less gutted hulks, and the ship seen flying in formation was just a visitor that departed for a mission right after the camera turned away.
The TOS-R visuals were disappointing overall. I mean, the placement of the ion pod was brilliant, the execution very nice. But the starbase itself was a letdown: why no floating docks? Inserting a new pod could admittedly be done with just those couple of spacesuited guys or gals, but if there was going to be something done to those scarred surfaces on Kirk's ship, a bit of scaffolding would have been very nice.
Personally, I still like to think of the Intrepid as a non-Constitution. The Memory Alpha entry claims that the ship was given a crew of 430 in "Immunity Syndrome", but in fact that episode speaks of 400 crew: perhaps not a significant difference, but we can always speculate.
Timo Saloniemi
Which I guess is all good and well. The Intrepid was supposedly bumped off the repairs schedule in favor of Kirk's ship, while the ship seen in TOS-R doesn't seem all that "bumped". The logic of bumping the ship that had the 1831 registry and the 120% status on the "Star Ship Status" chart always escaped me anyway: why would a ship at more than 100% status be in the repair queue to begin with? More likely that the bumped ship was one of those with the percentage between zero and 100.
Also, if the Intrepid were that intact-looking, one would think she would have partaken in the efforts to save the plummeting Enterprise. It would be nicer to think that most of the ships being repaired at the starbase were more or less gutted hulks, and the ship seen flying in formation was just a visitor that departed for a mission right after the camera turned away.
The TOS-R visuals were disappointing overall. I mean, the placement of the ion pod was brilliant, the execution very nice. But the starbase itself was a letdown: why no floating docks? Inserting a new pod could admittedly be done with just those couple of spacesuited guys or gals, but if there was going to be something done to those scarred surfaces on Kirk's ship, a bit of scaffolding would have been very nice.
Personally, I still like to think of the Intrepid as a non-Constitution. The Memory Alpha entry claims that the ship was given a crew of 430 in "Immunity Syndrome", but in fact that episode speaks of 400 crew: perhaps not a significant difference, but we can always speculate.
Timo Saloniemi
I could clearly see the name Intrepid on that hull.
And I think online sources when the episode was about to air confirmed it was supposed to be the Intrepid...since it was mentioned in dialogue in the script and having a second starship in orbit with that frame of reference could lead to only one conclusion, especially for casual viewers not familiar with TREK canon and minutae.
You know, it would've been nice if in some of the TOS-R eps, they retconned in some Miranda-class vessels that mirror the design ethic of the Constitution-class starships. I also wish Intrepid were rendered as a different class starship. Are they following the old ST Manual, perchance? -- RR
I'm happy with what they've done. I admit, though, that I'm curious as to what a pre-refit Miranda, if such a thing ever existed, would look like.
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I always assumed pre-2270s, unrefit Miranda ships would look like Constitution-class vessels without stardrive hulls and with the nacelles slung somewhat under and to the rear of the impulse engines...like the ones seen in the movies and later series.
Sounds right. I'm sure the nacelles would look much like the nacelles of our dearly beloved TOS NCC-1701 (No bloody, A, B, C or D!). Hope they do something like this, would be way cool. I always saw the Mirandas as the workhorses of Starfleet. Hell, maybe Kirk had command of one before Enterprise! -- RR
This was FASA's version of a TOS Miranda class, the Anton Class starship (the Enterprise-type refit turned her into the Reliant-Class, what we now know as Miranda-Class).
Though if you notice, it has TOS style nacelles, but the saucer appears to be a movie-style one.
Oooo, some nice pics of a pre-Miranda-class ship! Very cool! -- RR
This was FASA's version of a TOS Miranda class, the Anton Class starship (the Enterprise-type refit turned her into the Reliant-Class, what we now know as Miranda-Class).
Though if you notice, it has TOS style nacelles, but the saucer appears to be a movie-style one.
Now this more than anything explains why it was assumed in "Ballance of Terror" that the Romulan Bird of Prey was based on a Federation design acquired through dark channels. After all: It is not really that similar to the Enterprise. But compared to this one? ...
I don't recall that. Are you sure you're not referring to some profic novel or cherished fanon?
Perhaps the reference of which you're thinking occurs in "The Enterprise Incident," where Spock informs a stunned Scotty, "Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design."
The bit about the Romulans using industrial espionage to design their "BoT" ship comes from an earlier, unfilmed script version which has become rather widely known among the fans of late. The old script obviously influenced Wah Chang when he designed the "BoT" vessel, but the explicit references to spying and copying are all gone from the aired version.
Timo Saloniemi
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Yeah, this almost matches what I always assumed a pre-refit/2270s-80s Miranda would look like. The nacelles would be very close to if not identical to those of Consitution ships and the impulse engines and engineering would be where they are comparable to post-refit designs.
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