As long as they keep the miniskirts, I'm all for it.
Women have enough eye-candy in the movie as it is, we men should have some as well.
A question to those that dislike this new movie
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As long as they keep the miniskirts, I'm all for it.
Women have enough eye-candy in the movie as it is, we men should have some as well.
Hold your horses, guys, the OP wasn't telling us to choose between those two options, rather asking if those people who didn't like it would've preferred it not having been made at all. There's a huge difference.
If I hadn't liked it, I probably wouldn't care either way.
If I hadn't liked it, I probably wouldn't care either way.
Allow me!
Something about the hat he wears in the movie just makes me so damned angry. I don't know what it is, but that hat just pisses me off!
Thinking about the OP, I have to say that I am split. I am very pleased to see the new media interest in Star Trek and I am grateful that the new movie has generated it. But my fandom is of the 40 year history and the detailed universe it created so for me the only new Trek that has been created are the Nero and Nimoy scenes of the movie. The rest has little meaning to me and just feels like an alternate universe episode that just serves to remind me that my 40 history is now over. Furthermore I wanted to see something more cerebral. So what I got isn't really what I originally hoped to say when Trek returned. Yes, I am grateful for the renewed interest, but that doesn't mean I have to be grateful and satisfied with the product that generated it.
When Star Wars Episode 1 came out the media interest was unprecedented. Didn't stop a lot of SW fans thinking it was a pile of shit, despite the renewed SW interest.
When Star Wars Episode 1 came out the media interest was unprecedented. Didn't stop a lot of SW fans thinking it was a pile of shit, despite the renewed SW interest.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, if you like the movie or not, you have to admit there is renewed interest in the franchise. Star Trek is EVERYWHERE right now, all over the media. Would you have rather none of that coverage happened and the interest shown in the franchise not be here right now drawing in new fans?
I've nothing against eye-candy, but does eye-candy preclude substance? Seven of Nine was eye-candy but she actually got to contribute to the storyline and have action sequences, too. I'd just like to see the female characters as actively engaged and competent as their male shipmates since I would hope that by the 23rd century, humanity would have acheived parity between the genders.
As long as they keep the miniskirts, I'm all for it.
Women have enough eye-candy in the movie as it is, we men should have some as well.
JoAryn
Eye-candy never precludes substance. But one movie isn't enough to base such an opinion on; a few new movies down the road we'll talk. Though I don't believe Uhura will come off as anything other then a successful and intelligent woman. Just like we glimpsed in this movie.
Let me ask you this way: If she weren't pretty, if she were overweight, had a big mole with hair on her nose, had a unibrow and no body curves whatsoever, would you still think her to be an unintelligent character? Or would you assume that, even though she didn't got as many lines as some other characters, she would be intelligent?
I did not like the movie at all and yes, I would rather it had not been made. Why?
1) I think the TNG cast deserved a proper final movie. They did their "Final Frontier" but never got their "Undiscovered Country."
2) I think Orci and Kurtzman are horrible writers. I am also a life-ling Transformers fan and despise thier work on that franchise.
3) If this movie is the best Star Trek has to offer than it doesn't deserve to continue. The world has 5 TV series and 10 movies to watch. There are more than enough stories for new people to discover and enjoy well into the future.
1) I think the TNG cast deserved a proper final movie. They did their "Final Frontier" but never got their "Undiscovered Country."
2) I think Orci and Kurtzman are horrible writers. I am also a life-ling Transformers fan and despise thier work on that franchise.
3) If this movie is the best Star Trek has to offer than it doesn't deserve to continue. The world has 5 TV series and 10 movies to watch. There are more than enough stories for new people to discover and enjoy well into the future.
I think, sir, you're sort of missing the fact that nerds don't generally care whether or not the population at large likes what they like, and indeed sometimes take it as a badge of pride.
As for your original question (which, yes, does seem to be formulated as 'would you rather what you consider a bad movie or no movie at all'), I would rather have had a big-budget Star Trek movie that was economically successful and revived interest in the franchise without brushing off forty years of growth and universe-building, without a return to the gender divides of the 60's, and without being riddled with plot holes, cardboard characterization and writers' fiats brushed off as 'destiny'.
seriously? why?
What about new fans that have come into the franchise because of this movie?
You aren't happy that Star Trek is creating a lot of buz?
Some people don't like others intruding on their little corner of the world, I believe...
I never said Uhura was unintelligent; she is obviously highly skilled with languages but her skill was virtually unused. Nor did I imply in the least that I wanted the female characters to be unattractive. My issue is that for a 21st century re-launch of Star Trek, the female characters were under-utilized and barely footnotes in the plot. Star Trek was revolutionary in the 60s for featuring an African American woman in the main cast. However, it's is now 50 years later and a reboot of Star Trek should continue to push forward with its ideals of diversity and cooperation and not be content to sit on the laurels of its initial conception.
JoAryn
these new fans, are jokes in my book and I will never give them the honor of trekkie. This movie isnt trek, I don't care that it generated buzz, unless its making people go back and watch the real kirk, picard, sisko, janeway and archer I don't care what buzz it makes, its self serving pile of crap to boost JJ Abrams self value, nothing more.
DEATH TO JJ AMBRAMS
You might want to edit that away. NOT cool.
I see your point, but it seems you assume they wrote it that way on purpose. What if the story simply "came out" better this way? A big part of writing is the creative aspect; you can't think too much about letting each character be utilized exactly the same amount; you just let it all flow.
That's why I said we'll talk further when the next few movies have been released; I doubt she'll have less lines then other characters in every one of them... But I could be wrong, of course. We don't know yet.
You know, DiSiLLUSiON, you seem to be pretty free with what you 'believe' other people think. Insultingly free, at times...
In point of fact, I myself care about neither the buzz this movie has generated nor the new fans that have come to the franchise, for the simple reason that the buzz will make it harder for me to get any more of the stories I was interested in and the new fans don't like the Star Trek I liked. There's no reason for me to view these things as good, because they've come at the expense of those parts of Star Trek that I quite liked.
In point of fact, I myself care about neither the buzz this movie has generated nor the new fans that have come to the franchise, for the simple reason that the buzz will make it harder for me to get any more of the stories I was interested in and the new fans don't like the Star Trek I liked. There's no reason for me to view these things as good, because they've come at the expense of those parts of Star Trek that I quite liked.
I swear the trolls were better in the good old days.
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