A problem with the Galaxy class versus the Worldrazor class

[knightgrace]

Here is my problem: The Galaxy class was supposed to be the most powerful ship in the Federation inventory. In terms of trope she was always getting shot up. Keeping in mind that she was, according to the 'Star Trek the Next Generation Technical Manual', to have twelve primary deflector shields generators and eight secondary deflector shield generators...
In, other words basically invulnerable, otherwise, why bother? The Phaser strips made one tough Lady in an aggressive manner. Meaning that there was no one around, in the immediate neighborhood that could take her.
No excuses.
No, stories either, at least in that direction.

The World razor on the other hand, is a What gives situation. The Enterprise-D was already the most powerful ship around...how does one excuse the fan boy nature?

 

[Ithekro]

The Federation is not aggressive. They are not a conquering organization. Therefore they do not generally build combat starships. The Galaxy-class is a very impressive starship, but it was not designed to assault a planet or a starbase. It was built to defend itself and explore strange new worlds, and impress the natives with diplomatic and technical advancements of the Federation.

The World Razer was built as a warship. It could assault a starbase or planet. It is designed to intimate any species the Confederation encounters, and defeat any of the local powers best starships easily with overwhelming firepower. Or at least that is the impression the design gives me based on its painting.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Federation is not aggressive. They are not a conquering organization. Therefore they do not generally build combat starships. The Galaxy-class is a very impressive starship, but it was not designed to assault a planet or a starbase. It was built to defend itself and explore strange new worlds, and impress the natives with diplomatic and technical advancements of the Federation.

The World Razer was built as a warship. It could assault a starbase or planet. It is designed to intimate any species the Confederation encounters, and defeat any of the local powers best starships easily with overwhelming firepower. Or at least that is the impression the design gives me based on its painting.

Truer words have never been more spoken.

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The Power Difference between the CSS World Razer and some of the most powerful ships in all of Trek is insane.

 

[Dukhat]

The World Razer, like the Confederacy itself, makes very little sense.

 

[Ithekro]

The Confederacy is the less(?) evil version of the Terran Empire. One that I guess did take in other races to a point. Though it seems likely their version of Section 31 shared info with the military and they advanced aggressively.

 

[Dukhat]

The Confederacy is the less(?) evil version of the Terran Empire.

Not so sure about 'less evil,' but definitely just as silly and unrealistic.

As for the World Razer, we should just accept it for what it was: an overly-exaggerated version of the Enterprise-D that just goes around razing worlds, and that's about it.

 

[Mudd]

The World razor on the other hand, is a What gives situation. The Enterprise-D was already the most powerful ship around...how does one excuse the fan boy nature?

There was no "already." They built ships like the World razor instead of the Galaxy class.

 

[knightgrace]

Obviously.
Galaxy class would have essentially the same power signature as a Worldrazor class.
Why? Similar technology. Similar Artificial Intelligence capabilities.
But not exactly the same. Otherwise why would a Worldrazor exist? One reason would be to minimize ship loses, instead of throwing dozens at a target, one ship is enough.
Now look at the discussion in the FASA Star Trek the Next Generation Officer's Manual. The Galaxy class was designed to be no push over. Realistically any combat between the two should be a draw.

Why?

Because, using worse case analysis, one or the other is going to be very good on the defense. But not both. Defense is what counts here not offense.

It is clear that the Worldrazor sacrificed something. And I don't think that it was exactly the same thing as I. S. S. Enterprise-D did.

So,exactly what did they sacrifice?

Cooperation. Interspecies cooperation. Which means that the Enterprise-D was the best. This doesn't make for success.

 

[BillJ]

The Power Difference between the CSS World Razer and some of the most powerful ships in all of Trek is insane.

You realize none of this is supported in any way by the actual shows? This is all fan make believe.

 

[Dukhat]

Obviously.
Galaxy class would have essentially the same power signature as a Worldrazor class.
Why? Similar technology. Similar Artificial Intelligence capabilities.
But not exactly the same. Otherwise why would a Worldrazor exist? One reason would be to minimize ship loses, instead of throwing dozens at a target, one ship is enough.
Now look at the discussion in the FASA Star Trek the Next Generation Officer's Manual. The Galaxy class was designed to be no push over. Realistically any combat between the two should be a draw.

Why?

Because, using worse case analysis, one or the other is going to be very good on the defense. But not both. Defense is what counts here not offense.

It is clear that the Worldrazor sacrificed something. And I don't think that it was exactly the same thing as I. S. S. Enterprise-D did.

So,exactly what did they sacrifice?

Cooperation. Interspecies cooperation. Which means that the Enterprise-D was the best. This doesn't make for success.

No offense, but I’ve read your response multiple times and I still have no idea what the point is that you’re trying to make.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You realize none of this is supported in any way by the actual shows? This is all fan make believe.

Yeah, I know; but if you were to follow the weapon load outs of what the CSS Razer was supposed to have, it makes sense that it's initial Frontal Volley would be that devastating given the type of ship it is and what it's reputation should've been.

No offense, but I’ve read your response multiple times and I still have no idea what the point is that you’re trying to make.

Is this another case of an AI Bot posting?

 

[mithril]

Now look at the discussion in the FASA Star Trek the Next Generation Officer's Manual. The Galaxy class was designed to be no push over. Realistically any combat between the two should be a draw.

you're using FASA stuff for this? that's not even beta canon. hell its not even tertiary canon. it's like trying to use Starfleet battles stats to argue stuff from canon TOS. it's a completely different continuity, with very different in-setting physics and technology functions, and for a game that was heavily optimized to be a combat sim not an accurate depiction of the shows. and that sourcebook was largely speculation based off TNG promotional materials and at best a few first season episodes. it was published only months after the TNG pilot, and those kinds of books take a year or more to write, edit, and print.

 

[knightgrace]

I originally thought that it was double sub sub zzz.
But there are some good ideas there.

But very many bad ones in the later edition.

 

[Dukhat]

What are you talking about?

 

[knightgrace]

CSS Worldrazor and several different references.

Also in Star Trek it has been mentioned that parallel, but alternative time lines are always similar technologies. Different expressions there of.

Which means that the Worldrazor, most likely can deliver an extreme hit, at least once. But the recharge time is such that it has rely on secondary weapons to continue the attack.

It's an optimization problem.

 

[Dukhat]

CSS Worldrazor and several different references.

Also in Star Trek it has been mentioned that parallel, but alternative time lines are always similar technologies. Different expressions there of.

Which means that the Worldrazor, most likely can deliver an extreme hit, at least once. But the recharge time is such that it has rely on secondary weapons to continue the attack.

It's an optimization problem.

Ok, gotcha. So you are just comparing the technical aspects of the two ships with the understanding that both the Federation and the Confederacy technology is pretty much the same. So with that said, there's really little difference between the Enterprise-D and the World Razer, other than some unnecessary cosmetic changes. Both ships have the ability to destroy planets (heck, the TOS Enterprise had that ability), the difference being that the Federation doesn't do that and the Confederacy does.

Your other data about 'recharge time' however, is just conjecture, since there are no canon rules about starship weapons systems for either vessel.

 

[DarthTimon]

The World Razor was the result of a brutal regime. Whereas the Galaxy class made room for schools, science labs and the like, the World Razor would devote all its power to combat systems. Nothing would be wasted on frills, unlike the Federation's original approach to the Galaxy class. With that in mind, the World Razor should win in a fight. Later updates to the Galaxy class (such as refits for the Dominion War) could pose more of a challenge, but even then, the GCS is still fundamentally not built as a warship, the World Razor is.