A minor character in both movies

[Tracy Trek]

Both Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness were on FX today and I noticed something. Isn't one of the security guards, that goes to Kronos with Kirk, Spock and Uhura, the same guy that said to Kirk "Come with me, cupcake" when Kirk and Scotty were trans-warp beamed onto the Enterprise from Delta Vega?

 

[DonIago]

I do believe so.

 

[FormerLurker]

He's even in the credits as Cupcake. Kirk first meets him when they exchange blows in the bar fight.

 

[Tosk]

He got himself some new hairs between films though. Sort of.

 

[starburst]

He played "Hendorff" a character named after one from TOS, I think he was killed by the Klingons in the novel and (so possibly in one of the original shooting scripts unless it was just assumed seeming he) isn't shown when they return to the ship.

I read on one news site somewhere that he was spotted in the trailer though I haven't been able to pick him out when I have watched it (and I bet its obvious) so it appears in the films canon he survived.

 

[F. King Daniel]

He got himself some new hairs between films though. Sort of.

Star Trek Into Hair Plugs

 

[Jedi_Master]

I love Cupcake. I hope he gets a few lines.

 

[ralph]

I was intrigued by a strange character on IMDb: Night Watch Captain ( Priya Rajaratnam ). She does not seem to be a Starfleet captain. She could be a pirate or a merchant like Cyrano Jones.

 

[The Wormhole]

I was intrigued by a strange character on IMDb: Night Watch Captain ( Priya Rajaratnam ). She does not seem to be a Starfleet captain. She could be a pirate or a merchant like Cyrano Jones.

Are we sure she isn't just in command of the Enterprise's night shift? The Abrams movies do have a bizarre habit of anyone assigned command while the captain is even temporarily absent being addressed as "Captain."

 

[DonIago]

That's not unique to the Abrams movies at all.

 

[Kor]

Are we sure she isn't just in command of the Enterprise's night shift? The Abrams movies do have a bizarre habit of anyone assigned command while the captain is even temporarily absent being addressed as "Captain."

I'm not sure if "bizarre" is the best way to describe this practice.
That's how it's done in the real navy. It's just the first time that it's been depicted that way in Trek.

Kor

 

[DonIago]

Except it isn't. DS9 has a discussion about this between Nog and O'Brien at one point.

 

[Mountie1988]

I love Cupcake. I hope he gets a few lines.

There's a whole comic story about Hendorff in the Ongoing Series. In the orginal verse his character died in one episode, The Apple.

 

[F. King Daniel]

How is it that the people who complained that Khan looks nothing like Montelban didn't notice Hendorf's transformation? Can only assume Hendorf Prime never discovered pop tarts

 

[Jedi_Master]

To be fair, Khan is a slightly more central character.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm not sure if "bizarre" is the best way to describe this practice.
That's how it's done in the real navy. It's just the first time that it's been depicted that way in Trek.

Seriously? The officer left in charge of the bridge while the Captain is sleeping or taking a piss is referred to as "Captain" by the rest of the crew? No I don't think so.

Except it isn't. DS9 has a discussion about this between Nog and O'Brien at one point.

That is not what Nog and O'Brien had a discussion about. What Nog and O'Brien discussed was when an officer with a rank lower than Captain is a ship's commanding officer, they are addressed by their crew as "Captain" anyway. That is very different than George Kirk being called Captain just because Robau is taking a walk off the bridge, or Spock being called Captain just because Pike's been captured, or Kirk being called Captain just because Spock had a meltdown.

 

[DonIago]

I don't believe there was any differentiation between "temporary" commanding officer and "permanent" commanding officer in the dialogue between Nog and O'Brien, though I could be mistaken.

My understanding is that if you're in the center seat, so to speak, then it's appropriate to address you as Captain regardless of rank.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

My understanding is that if you're in the center seat, so to speak, then it's appropriate to address you as Captain regardless of rank.

Exactly. Jadzia, for example, was not the permanent commanding officer of the Defiant, but we have seen her doing it, and she was still called Captain regardless of her rank.

 

[HIjol]

As to "...off, taking a piss", I thought the jury was still out on if those on ships actually took pisses (pissae?), and if they did, just exactly where and how?

I seem to remember a Thread...

I think The Wormhole has a point.


From Memory Alpha:

On starships, the term captain was also often used as a synonym to commanding officer. Proper naval parlance said that, even if a vessel was commanded by an officer whose rank was lower than captain, that officer was still able to be referred to as a captain while on the deck of their own vessel, no matter their literal commissioned rank.

And...

The rank of captain could also be held by non-command personnel, especially on ships with a number of veteran and senior officers whose experience had warranted advancement to the rank of captain but without command of a starship. Such was the case on the USS Enterprise-A, where the senior staff consisted of no less than three captains: the commanding officer (James T. Kirk), the first officer(Spock), and the chief engineer (Montgomery Scott). (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) Captain Scott had previously held his rank of captain while chief engineer of the USS Excelsior, where he was known as the "captain of engineering". (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock)

 

[Jedi_Master]

The TOS films were guilty of over promoting their main cast. By time Star Trek VI rolled around I expected everybody to be a Captain.