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A Lit-verse based TOS chronology

I use a very, very similar approach to my own personal 5YM-continuity document -- i.e., attempting to determine approximately (within a reasonable guess, using the onscreen evidence) how much time a given episode or mission consumes, when not explicitly stated onscreen

In my own chronology, I've always listed precise dates, not so much because I need the stories to happen on exactly those days, but as a way of keeping track of roughly how much time each episode, book, or story covers and what the intervals are between them. So I've already got length estimates for pretty much everything, though some are more guesswork-based than others.
 
Christopher and Leto, have you ever shared your personal timelines? If not, would you be comfortable doing so? I've enjoyed reading this thread very much, and I'm tantalized by the idea of reading the different chronologies people have assembled. Of course, if it's just for personal use and you are reluctant to share, I understand.
 
Given how heavily filled the 5YM is... are there any episodes that could be safely omitted to free up time? Or at this point has everything down to "The Alternative Factor" been referenced in some other episode or modern-continuity novel?
 
Christopher and Leto, have you ever shared your personal timelines? If not, would you be comfortable doing so? I've enjoyed reading this thread very much, and I'm tantalized by the idea of reading the different chronologies people have assembled. Of course, if it's just for personal use and you are reluctant to share, I understand.
Absolutely -- if anyone wants a copy of it, just shoot me a PM, and I can e-mail it to you. Like Christopher's, it's in a state of continuous flux, but my most "current" version is sitting on my hard drive as we speak, and for I think for the very first time ever, we have a complete lack of new TOS novels on the schedule for the rest of an entire calendar-year (or, at least, that they've made official announcement of, up to this moment), which means that I won't be making any huge changes to the 5YM section any time soon.

(I still add in new Kelvin-verse stories as released, of course, but that doesn't affect the Prime Universe's continuity.)
 
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In my own chronology, I've always listed precise dates, not so much because I need the stories to happen on exactly those days, but as a way of keeping track of roughly how much time each episode, book, or story covers and what the intervals are between them. So I've already got length estimates for pretty much everything, though some are more guesswork-based than others.

This is very much where I would like to be. I mean I already have a pretty good awareness of where and when TOS/TAS and the FYM unfold, but I'd love to get to the point of analyzing everything to this degree.

The "Paradise Syndrome" is a perfect example of what I mean. So often I think about how "Mirror, Mirror" doesn't actually "take up" too much time....etc, etc. or how most of TAS episodes probably unfold in under a few hours....but then I look at an ep like "Paradise Syndrome" taking up two full months and just sigh.

Congrats on having things broken down that much.
 
I agree. I started this thread in an effort to get my chronology nailed down with alot more specifics. In my head that meant knowing what month each story took place in. I quickly realized there were several people helping me who had everything figured out down to the exact day. I could have never got this project as far as and acurate as I have without those folks help. Idran, Leto II, Darren, and Christopher are the ones who come to mind, and I'm sure there have been others I'm forgetting over the years.
 
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Thanks, ryan, and I have to say that undertaking a project like this on this scale was pretty much instigated by being here in this very Trek Lit forum over the years, and from the inspiration that folks like Christopher and others (including even James Dixon!) provided in nailing down far more specificity than we've ever tended to see before. Appreciate the thoughts!
 
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Just to throw in some of the very nuggets that suck us all in....ahem.....
A few weeks ago, I read the Constellations anthology, and I remembered that the short story "See No Evil" had a reference to the Nomad attacks from "The Changeling". I don't write EVERY chrono reference down, but I believe Uhura was still recovering, etc. Fast forward to today, I am reading one of the Tokyo Pop stories, "Communications Breakdown". That story specifically has 12 days having passed since "The Changeling", and Uhura is still recovering. In the timeline, I will probably put "Communications Breakdown" right before "See No Evil"....but this is just a really specific example of how fun this stuff is.

Peace,
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A few weeks ago, I read the Constellations anthology, and I remembered that the short story "See No Evil" had a reference to the Nomad attacks from "The Changeling". I don't write EVERY chrono reference down, but I believe Uhura was still recovering, etc. Fast forward to today, I am reading one of the Tokyo Pop stories, "Communications Breakdown". That story specifically has 12 days having passed since "The Changeling", and Uhura is still recovering. In the timeline, I will probably put "Communications Breakdown" right before "See No Evil"....but this is just a really specific example of how fun this stuff is.

I'm not sure those two stories can be reconciled in their approaches to Uhura's recovery.
 
A while back, I came to appreciate that the 5YM is just a setting, like Riverdale High or Springfield, or Gotham or Metropolis. It's a point of departure for storytelling, and if we're being honest then the actual period of time was filled to realistic levels decades ago. I quit worrying so much about how to make it all fit, because it's not possible without making contortions or rationalizations or interpretations, or deciding which stories stay and which go, and all of that involves reaching into subjective territory that'll never make everyone happy.
While I've no objections to additional 5YM stories, as I love the era also, at some point you can't possibly fit them all into a five year period.
I feel the same way. The 5YM has pretty much passed into the realm of modern mythology now, with all the loose continuity and contradictions that implies. Heck, I suppose you could think of the Kelvin Timeline crew as the Roman equivalents to the TOS crew's Greek Gods.
Also, more importantly to my mind, there are so many years of adventures with the original crew outside of the 5YM that are largely unchronicled, relatively speaking. In comparison, we've barely scratched the surface on the post-TMP 5YM, and there is still room for plenty of adventures in the post-TFF, pre-TUC era.
I agree, but I think (for me anyway) a large part of the appeal of the 5YM era is that all the major characters are still in their prime. And it also has a certain iconic appeal in that you don't have to waste any time describing the current status quo ("Kirk is still at Starfleet Academy, Spock is commanding the Enterprise on training missions, and Sulu has the flu that he caught from a Denebian Slime Devil...") and you can just dive right in to your story.
for being such a purported uberfan, Arnold certainly didn't think certain things through all that particularly well from time to time.
From what I've read about him, it seems like one of Arnold's big handicaps was being too literal with the ST Universe. Like, if a certain thing wasn't specifically mentioned, it didn't exist. No one on Kirk's Enterprise ever mentioned getting a haircut, so therefore there was no barber on the Enterprise. Ever hear Michael Jan Friedman's stardate story?
just taking a look at the episodes, analyzing how much time certain eps took up. "City on the Edge of Forever" or "Mirror, Mirror" take up so much less time than other episodes.
It's funny to think that those two episodes only spanned a few hours for most of our heroes. Kirk and Spock spend about a week in 1930 in COTEOF, but they return to their present only a few seconds after they left! And "Mirror, Mirror" takes up, what, like 4 hours, max? Hardly more time than it takes for us to watch it!
On the flip side, episodes like "The Paradise Syndrome" take up a huge amount of time.
I think that one still holds the record for the TOS episode that spans the longest amount of time.
are there any episodes that could be safely omitted to free up time? Or at this point has everything down to "The Alternative Factor" been referenced in some other episode or modern-continuity novel?
...If "The Alternative Factor" isn't ever referenced in a novel, does it make a sound? ;)
Absolutely -- if anyone wants a copy of it, just shoot me a PM, and I can e-mail it to you.
Will do! My own TOS timeline isn't currently available due to some external hard drive issues I'm having, but you can see the broad strokes of mine here:

https://www.sutori.com/timeline/star-trek-timeline

There of course, I'm mainly limiting myself to entries I can illustrate with a decent graphic, and I don't have much novelverse continuity incorporated in. Feel free to give me any feedback you'd like, either here or via PM.
 
Ever hear Michael Jan Friedman's stardate story?

I have not, but now I'm very curious.

Kirk and Spock spend about a week in 1930 in COTEOF

I always got the feeling it was more like a couple months, even; Spock's good, but he's not that good. And it gives the relationship with Keeler what feels to me like a more natural pace, gives it time to evolve and deepen in a way that Kirk doesn't normally get in romance.

I should throw my own timeline up once I get home too, though it's still what I'd call a 0.X release.
 
^I think its just a few weeks ahead of when McCoy arrives, realistic timeframes for romances was never TOS strong point. McCoy gets married and divorced in two days?... Kirk falls in love with a robot in one day Reqiuem for Methuselah
 
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I have not, but now I'm very curious.
I believe that MJF tells this story in Voyages of the Imagination. He submitted a TOS novel (I think it was Double, Double) for approval, and he gets back a note from Arnold saying that Chekov shouldn't be in the novel, as he wasn't aboard the Enterprise then. This adjustment would have required MJF to rewrite a substantial chunk of the book, so he asks, "How do you know?" MJF gets a note back saying, "Check your stardate." So MJF says waitaminute, are you saying that I can either rewrite this whole book to remove Chekov, or I can just change two digits in the stardate to fix the problem? He gets the reply, yes, you can just change the stardate. So that's what MJF did. One wonders why Richard Arnold didn't just suggest that in the first place... Talk about missing the forest for the trees! :lol:
I always got the feeling it was more like a couple months, even; Spock's good, but he's not that good. And it gives the relationship with Keeler what feels to me like a more natural pace, gives it time to evolve and deepen in a way that Kirk doesn't normally get in romance.
Could be. I wonder if anyone's ever tried to figure out how much all of Spock's mechanical components would have cost in 1930 dollars? If we had a rough price and the amounts of their salaries, maybe we could calculate a timeframe from that.

But yeah, I think you're right. It was a few weeks. I remember a few years back I paused my DVD of COTEOF on a certain scene where a calendar was visible in the background (It was the scene where Kirk is talking with Edith about getting more work the next day). I was thinking that if I could match the month, I could figure out the exact month and year that Kirk & Spock traveled to. But the configuration of days didn't match any month in 1930. I suppose it was just a more modern calendar that they put in there as set dressing.
I should throw my own timeline up once I get home too, though it's still what I'd call a 0.X release.
Do it! It's always fun to see a new timeline.
^I think its just a few weeks ahead of when McCoy arrives, realistic timeframes for romances was never TOS strong point.
Good point!
 
I have the McCoy marriage ending around 2257, IIRC (Which just so happened to be around the same time his marriage broke up in the Kelvin Timeline). I figure that McCoy's relationship with Nancy Crater was an extramarital affair. That's why his wife "got the whole planet in the divorce."

But I think Nyotarules was talking about McCoy's marriage in "For the World is Hollow..."
 
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In my McCoy chronology (based on A Choice of Catastrophes) they meet in 2247, get married in mid-2248, McCoy and Jocelyn live together until 2254 when she kicked him out and the official divorce is later that year.
Its unusual for men to get married so young, McCoy's birth date is given as 2227. I would hope in the 23rd century Earth laws would not allow a father to lose full custody of his daughter that he feels the need 'to join the navy' and disappear on 5 year missions. Which fits my head canon, its McCoy's guilt why he ran away - he had an affair that broke up the marriage. When it comes to women he has commit issues which are explored in one of the Crucible novels.
 
Has any novel nailed down a specific time for David McCoy's death? All we know from what TFF tells us is that it had to be sometime after McCoy got his medical degree and 2287. It could have been pretty much any time between then, though.
 
Has any novel nailed down a specific time for David McCoy's death? All we know from what TFF tells us is that it had to be sometime after McCoy got his medical degree and 2287. It could have been pretty much any time between then, though.

Memory Beta says that the TFF novelization put it in 2264, but I don't have it handy to verify that.
 
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