Ah, for the days when Trek still dared to be controversial....
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Do you mean the only episode to be banned on the grounds of subversion; or the only episode to be banned? Four TOS episodes - Whom Gods Destroy; Plato's Stepchildren; Miri and The Empath, were also banned by the BBC. I was a Star Trek fan for nearly 20 years before I got to see them.
Yes, it does.
I'm not a fan of the Klingons. Period. I have no issue with others liking them or wanting to see something different / more done with them, though.
No, I meant what I said. The term can be used to refer to corrupting someone or something as well as its more common usage. The idea that a Star Trek episode was going to warp - or corrupt or pervert - people into thinking differently about the mess in Northern Ireland was just silly. I was simply using a more extreme word to make my point. Again, YMMV.
This site gives a little bit of info. I'm not 100% sure myself, but I think - Plato's was banned possibly because of the controversy in the US; The Empath for the torture; Whom Gods because of the way the girl is killed, and Miri for the "relationship"/subtext (whatever you want to call it) between Jim and Miri. At the time, we all accepted that they were "banned" but I never really did understand why when I finally saw them on video years and years later. Now it seems amazing/bizzare that it happened at all.
IMHO > YMMV.
Entertainment isn't likely to change anyone's mind, Orac Zen. But it can make a stance. Even though it's muddled as to what stance exactly TNG is taking in "The High Ground" (is terrorism good? Bad? Sometimes good and sometimes bad, and if so, when?) it did seem to all be about shifting perceptions of right and wrong, which are endemic in such situations as NI, a moral fog of war. I don't think it's a bad episode, though it's not a great one. It's okay, and it presented its ambiguities reasonably well.
Data's throwaway line about violent Irish reunification - the actual reason the episode was banned - suggests a rather cynical outlook on the part of the TNG staff, though.
^Really...why is that?
It's not the exact same thing. One says to the other poster(s), "But your opinion may differ, and you're entitled to that." The other says, "But that's just my opinion." They convey the same thing, but one is used to address another, the other talks about yourself.
I've never perceived one as being negative compared to the other...and Orac didn't seem to mind, having used it right back.
It's not the exact same thing. One says to the other poster(s), "But your opinion may differ, and you're entitled to that." The other says, "But that's just my opinion." They convey the same thing, but one is used to address another, the other talks about yourself.
I've never perceived one as being negative compared to the other...and Orac didn't seem to mind, having used it right back.
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Why not? A question was asked and has been answered. Such is life on a discussion board.
I hadn't envisioned that rather tame post being dissected, but whatever. Following on from my initial comments, it's easy enough for me to say that it's "silly" to imagine a Trek ep was going to have a big impact on how people viewed the Northern Ireland situation - after all, I'm here on the other side of the planet and thus cannot have a realistic idea of what it was like to actually live with that situation. To me, "The High Ground" was simplistic and the delivery of its message was of the "beat the viewer over the head with a brick" type that Trek lapses into at times. I tend to not care for such episodes...but to each their own.
Why not? A question was asked and has been answered. Such is life on a discussion board.
I hadn't envisioned that rather tame post being dissected, but whatever. Following on from my initial comments, it's easy enough for me to say that it's "silly" to imagine a Trek ep was going to have a big impact on how people viewed the Northern Ireland situation - after all, I'm here on the other side of the planet and thus cannot have a realistic idea of what it was like to actually live with that situation. To me, "The High Ground" was simplistic and the delivery of its message was of the "beat the viewer over the head with a brick" type that Trek lapses into at times. I tend to not care for such episodes...but to each their own.
Essentially. All I'm saying is, it was an interesting brick. Ever get beaten on the head by a brick but stop to admire its interesting contours?
Yeah, it's kind of like that. Granted, it neither represents the situation accurately or my own opinion on the matter, but it presents its position well.
And Old Mixer, I'm aware of a difference in emphasis, but the important thing is one of them is not a car reference. Which is important, IMHO.
All I can say is, MMV.Kegek Kringle said:
And Old Mixer, I'm aware of a difference in emphasis, but the important thing is one of them is not a car reference. Which is important, IMHO.
Nah. I'm more inclined to focus on the fact that the stuff the brick is made of is telling me something I already know, and therefore beating me over the head with it is kinda pointless.
I also don't have a problem with car references...but to each their own.
Looks like we've all been asleep at the wheel. Has this thread run out of gas, or is it just stuck in gridlock until the holidays are over? Hopefully we'll get back on the road eventually.
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