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A Journey

startrekwatcher said:
I have heard some people grouse over how realistic it was for most of the crew to have remained on the ship all these years but I think it makes sense in this context. Besides the crew ultimately did stay together for about that long up until Nemesis. So I am more than willing to go along with it since it is not that big of a deal in such a great story.
Plus, it is consistent with behind-the-scenes info from official sources that this ship was meant to serve as the home of its crew and their families for as long as 22 years. Some officers might necessarily move on for the sake of promotion, but others might work their way up the career ladder strictly within the environment of that one ship.

I personally thought the idea of using Minuet to clue Riker into the fact something was up was extremely clever and made so much sense given his fondness for her back in 10010001. A great example of using continuity to enhance a subsequent plot.
Indeed, a very clever twist. Drawing from Riker's mind resulted in a mix-up between his real-life aspirations and his fantasy life...and in such a way that the audience would recognize the discrepancy just as Riker did.

Meanwhile, I'll pretend like I'm still in the race....

"A Matter of Perspective"--An interesting episode, but its potential outweighs its execution. The use of the holodeck to recreate different versions of the same events was clever...but while one would like to think that the truth of the matter lay somewhere in-between the evident biases of the various witnesses, what we get are two versions by guest characters that have obvious flaws, considering our familiarity with Riker, versus Riker's version, which seems too much like the straight version. The episode never offers a hint that Riker's testimony isn't the God's-honest truth. Geordi and the assistant were there to witness the initial interaction between Riker and the Apgars in the lab...and the behavior of Riker and Mrs. Apgar towards one another was considerably different in the two versions that we saw. How much more interesting would it have been if Geordi and/or the assistant had offered us yet another glimpse at those events, one that cast reasonable doubt on Riker's motives?

Of course, the episode hinges on the threat that Riker might be proven guilty...yet we know he's not capable of such malicious behavior as he's been accused of...so instead it derives its threat from an alien legal system that takes a few short-cuts. While it is realistic that an alien culture would have a different system, these short-cuts--that the defendant is guilty until proven innocent and that hearsay is admissable as evidence--just underscore what a flimsy case they have against Riker by our standards. How much more intersting would it have been if they'd had a case against Riker that would have held up in our legal system? (This reminds me of grievances I had against the Trial of Baltar storyline in BSG, in which plenty of good story potential within established legal methods was ignored in favor of taking shortcuts with too many courtroom stunts.)

I remember the Cinefantastique reviewer saying that this one seemed like a leftover from Season 2...and while I wouldn't necessarily say it's the very weakest that Season 3 has to offer, it certainly does stand out as a weak episode sandwiched as it is between "Deja Q" and "Yesterday's Enterprise".

C+.
 
First up: startrekwatcher, thanks for posting those excellent reviews. Great reading. :bolian: (And OT for just a moment, your Heroes reviews rock too. ;))

I've made a start on season 4. I won't try to compete with startrekwatcher's insights; I'll just ramble on for a short while and get back to watching more episodes. :D

"The Best of Both Worlds", part 2: This has been criticised in the past for being "inferior" (vastly so, according to some) to part 1, and to some extent that's justified - if only because part 1 is stellar stuff and matching up to it was always going to be very difficult. I still regard it highly. Everyone contributed toward getting Picard back and defeating the Borg, which I consider a very worthwhile step forward from the (then) common situation where one or two characters almost always save the day. I enjoyed it then and do now.

"Family": Those who waffle on about TNG's "perfect" characters obviously never watched this grossly underrated and utterly superlative episode. Here we have a very human Picard, shattered and humiliated by his experiences as Locutus, trying to come to terms with the enormity of those events. Surely if he'd been "perfect" he'd just have shrugged it off and carried on as though nothing had happened, and that's where the greatness of this ep lies, for mine: The fact that it acknowledges - for one of the first times in Trek - that actions have consequences and some experiences cannot just be forgotten about. Everything about "Family" (with the possible exception of the Jack Crusher bit - more a function of the acting than anything else) is just about spot-on and works superbly. Another ep that, happily, is just as good as I remember it. :bolian:

"Brothers": Decent, but nothing outstanding (although it's a bit better than I'd remembered it). Spiner is terrific in his three roles but I was never much of a fan of Lore - the character is a bit too over the top for my liking.

"Suddenly Human": Another decent ep but nothing exceptional. It is notable, though - in light of the view of TNG's detractors that the Federation is depicted as perfect and all-knowing - that Jono is returned to his father rather than going off to live happily ever after...with complete strangers.

"Remember Me": Always one of my favourites. A nice showcase for Bev and McFadden does a good job with some well above par material. I suppose it was rather convenient that the Traveller happened to turn up to save the day but when an episode's this good I find I don't much care. "We never needed a crew before" is a line that cracks me up every time - Stewart's matter-of-fact delivery is perfect. :lol:

"Legacy": Another ep that's better than I remembered it, and another ep that puts the nonsense about TNG not acknowledging past events into perspective. The crew wanted to believe that Ishara was everything she appeared to be, so much so that they were completely taken in. Nothing "perfect" about these people; just fallible human beings (Data aside, of course, although his almost-human naiveté is painfully apparent) who wanted to do right by Tasha's sister and failed to see that the resemblance was all too superficial.

"Reunion": One of the few Klingon-heavy eps I enjoy. The claptrap about honour is kept to a minimum and K'Ehleyr is a character I really wish had been kept around. It's another terrific episode in a terrific season. :bolian:
 
Santalan said:
First up: startrekwatcher, thanks for posting those excellent reviews. Great reading. :bolian: (And OT for just a moment, your Heroes reviews rock too. ;))
Well I appreciate those kind words. Actually this Journey thread motivated me to look back over TNG and see if it has held up as well as I remembered. I also wanted to finally put down in words my various impressions and keep them on my computer so I could years later look back on them.

That was one thing I regretted originally is I just watched the shows but didn't write anything down and years later there have been times when I would have liked to have been able to go back and see what I thought of an episode. I usually remember my general impressions but sometimes little details or thoughts I had get washed away.

And I felt more compelled to do that with shows these days like Heroes because there is so much to keep track of plus I wanted to put down on paper or in a post my impressions because unlike a single episode, your impressions fluctuate and evolve as more of the story unfolds and new elements are thrown in with these highly serialized shows. It becomes even more compounded when you watch several such expansive series and you start misremembering or attributing one thing to the wrong show etc.

I was able to get in two more episodes...

Final Mission- B+ 3/4 stars.

Maybe I'm too easy to please but I've never had the issue with Wesley as some do. I've always saw a lot of myself in him especially when I was younger. I was an overachiever and more comfortable around adults than my peers so may be that's why I'm not so hard on him.

This episode is very solid and involving. There were plenty of scenes that I enjoyed--Wesley commenting on Dirgo's shuttle, Wesley’s scenes with Picard are just great and the music really enhanced that one moment when Picard has been injured and they have their little heart-to-heart. The way Wesley looks at Picard with all this affection. Just some really great emotional stuff that TNG excels at.

And it didn’t hurt that I have always enjoyed the dynamic between those two. Picard is clearly a person that any one would love to spend some one-on-one time with just to learn about him and to see that beyond this confident, seemingly super-human captain is a man who isn’t perfect and has his share of flaws. Beverly and Troi got a nice scene in sickbay after Beverly was notified of the shuttlepod’s disappearance. Gates did a really good job in that scene. Picard’s struggle to come up with a way to compliment Dirgo’s shuttle was great and pure Picard in his diplomatic response.

I also enjoyed the Garbage Scow subplot well enough and was an interesting idea that generated a nice jeopardy to keep the Enterprise crew occupied. Nothing particularly ground-breaking but pretty good. The fountain ended up being a plot device without any real insight into who set it up or why.

The location shooting was a welcome change and the filming captured really well the harsh conditions they were facing on the desert world. The alien worlds/moon I thought were a little better, more vibrant in coloring than they usually were. There were some great shots of the Enterprise throughout the episode like when it first enters orbit.

I was sorry to see Wes leave but in a way it was a good thing given that the cast was already pretty large. But unlike some characters Wes had about as near perfect a sendoff as one could ask with Picard’s ”Wesley, know this…you will be missed” as they exit the cave.

The Loss- B

Troi was another character many fans didn't care for but I always liked. And I thought this was a fairly effective disability story headlining Troi. I enjoyed seeing the vulnerable and frightened side of her. I know many seem to view her as a pathetic whiny bitch and there is some of that but that is part of the point. I think anyone who loses a sense would be angry and wallowing in self-pity. So how Troi behaves in this context works.

Troi is usually the one helping others the way she is now placed in the unenviable role of facing her own personal crisis directly is quite interesting. She is having to practice essentially what she preaches and I thought Marina did a good job first in her counseling sessions with Ensign Brooks which was a nice tie to the episode’s theme of loss and then in her own situation.

I thought it did a pretty decent job at getting across how frustrating & frightening such a loss can be and how it affects relationships. Troi’s anger at Beverly seemed like a realistic reaction even though misdirected. Usually these two are the best of friends so this was a contrast. And then of course Riker/Troi had their tribulations in some rather nice scenes that further cemented what great chemistry both the actors & characters have. And of course Guinan is always a pleasure.

I really liked that scene with Troi in Ten-Forward. I think both are counselors in their own right but have completely different ways of dispensing advice. That is why I never really felt Guinan took anything away from Troi’s role as counselor. There is room for both. Troi/Data’s teamwork paid off again and they work pretty well together.

The episode boasted some nice visuals with the Enterprise at an angle being pulled by the creature as well as the computer graphics. B.
 
Hello all,

Well, I was going to start season 4 last week but then something weird happened on Wednesday. I've been planning a vacation up to the snow for some skiing and we were supposed to leave on that Thursday. Well, we weren't sure what kind of weather to expect and they were predicting a big storm so we decided to leave early and try to get ahead of it. Since this isn't the Lounge Check-In thread, I ended up not watching any TNG because of that (I didn't want to bring the DVDs up to Reno even though with my gambling, it might not have been a bad idea) and will start it tonight. After The Amazing Race, I'm going to probably watch the three episodes mentioned.

I've enjoyed reading the reviews since though.

Old Mixer, in your response to me about Sarek, I can see that too. However, there was stuff in there about trying to cover up what Sarek had because he had so much dignity as a leader and someone really famous. I was thinking about Aids because a lot of people cover up the fact that they might have that disease and don't want people to know about it. I can see the Alzheimer's reference though.
 
I have not had much time lately for Star Trek, but I have enjoyed reading all the reviews. :)

New Years week, it's season four for me. Really.
 
startrekwatcher said:
I enjoyed seeing the vulnerable and frightened side of her. I know many seem to view her as a pathetic whiny bitch and there is some of that but that is part of the point. I think anyone who loses a sense would be angry and wallowing in self-pity. So how Troi behaves in this context works.

I think you are the only other person on this board who I've ever seen make a positive comment about this aspect of this episode. I agree with you completely. Again, nice job on the review (and not just because I agree with you!)
 
Started Season 4 last night so here was how far I got:

Best of Both Worlds, Part 1 - A+

What more can be said about this episode. It really is one of the best written and best acted shows not only in this franchise, but on TV all together. Many people talk about the cliffhanger and as well they should. It's one of those jaw dropping cliffhangers in a time when even thinking about doing a cliffhanger was not considered normal.

However, there were many other aspects to this episode that shouldn't go unnoticed. For one, I liked the conflict between Riker and Shelby. That scene in Ten Forward between Riker and Troi pretty much summed up that entire reason for the infighting between the two, it was an experianced Riker vs. ambitious Riker. It made for some great drama. There was another scene that is one of my favorites in the series when Picard talks to Guinan. Some times I often read people calling this show childish. I wonder what that means exactly because with dialog like what Picard had with Guinan about Trafalgar and the HMS Victory and pretty much history in general. If that is childish, than bring more of it.

This episode also had that awesome musical score that makes it much more memorable. The one when Picard says "We have engaged The Borg" and the end are some of the best music this series/franchise ever did. Ron Jones was sorely missed when he left.

Best of Both Worlds II - A

This isn't as good as Part 1, but really, how can anyone top that. This episode did come close though. Many people talk about one of the weaknesses to this show was how the Borg were defeated. I remember watching the special features and one of the things Piller said was that he didn't know how to end Best of Both Worlds. He allowed the actors to play it out and hopefully something will come. I actually think the solution makes a hell of a lot of sense if you think about it. TNG isn't an action show, and it's mentality is to look for creative and unique solutions. The Borg are a collective computer in a sense. If the borg are able to adapt to anything that comes at them, why not adapt to what they are able to do, compute functions as a whole. I don't know, but hacking into a computer program and misdirecting them makes more sense then killing more people.

Other parts of this episode I liked was Riker's reactions to everything and getting into the What would Picard do mentality. The scene in the ready room with Guinan was really nice because it was the building block to allow Riker to step out of the shadow and do something unorthodox.

There is only one reason this episode didn't get an A+ and that was because of the music. It's not nearly as strong as it was on Part 1.

Family - A+

I wonder if I'm going to be giving more A's and A+'s this season as it has always been my favorite season of the series. This episode, which I've always thought as the third part of the Best of Both Worlds arc was one of those reasons why. There is no action, no aliens of the week, hell, no going to some planet and solving a mystery. What there was though was character drama, and almost the calm after the storm. This was an episode that had three storylines and all of them worked.

The major one was Picard and Robert and for the people who talk about a "perfect" federation or "perfect" Picard, or a show that doesn't have any consequences, I wonder if they've never seen this episode. Here is a man who was humilitated, beaten and pretty much had his life taken away. If this was the TNG that so many people on this board describe, than this episode would probably not have been made and we can go to the next one as if nothing happened. However, this is TNG as one of my favorite TV shows ever. Watching the conflict escalate between Robert and Picard and a fight between values was really cool. It all led up to the fight in the Vineyards and that was the point in this episode where I have to give it an A+. The show builds and builds and we get that payoff with Picard literally breaking down and Robert saying "Well, it looks like Jean-Luc Picard is a human being, after all." That is awesome writing by Ron Moore. This episode could be called cliche since it does deal with two brothers who pretty much "kiss and make up" at the end. However I don't see it at all. I see it as sibling rivalry between the two, and in Picards view, it was much needed.

The Worf story was also really strong. We got more in terms of the Discommendation arc and I would say this episode kind of signaled a transition of stories of sorts. We're done with the Borg arc, but the Discommendation arc will be one of the recurring themes of the season, and as the rest of the season goes on leading up to Redemption this part of the episode gets even stronger. It was nice meeting Worf's parents and their concern for their son. I loved the scene in Ten Forward with Guinan (I seem to be repeating that alot ;) ) because it starts humorous with the Prune Juice and it is leading up to a very emotional point. Worf needs all the guidance he can get, he is just afraid to admit it.

The Wes side of the story was not as strong but still good enough. I'm glad it was only a blip on this episode's radar since the other two were so much more important. There really isn't much to say about this part but I did like the scene in Sickbay with Wes and Beverly talking about the recording.

I noticed something about this episode that I hadn't before. How many other episodes does this one reference. It almost seemed like at every turn a past episode was referenced like:

-Drena 4 when Picard was offering a solution to Louis - Pen Pals

-Wes is finally coming to terms of his father's death - The Bonding

-The Borg Incident - Best of Both Worlds

-Prune Juice - Yesterday's Enterprise

- Worf's Discommendation - Sins of the Father

I'm probably forgetting some but that's a lot of referencing. ;)

Brothers - B

This is not as strong or emotional as the previous 3, put it still is great nonthaless. I loved the sequences with Data taking over the ship and the stuff with Dr. Soong was awesome as well. I loved the phlisophical talk about continuity and how humans strive towards immortality through reproduction. Also, it was nice to see Lore again. I will say one more thing about this episode. This one was written by Rick Berman, and, well we all know how much he is loved on this board. Seriously though, I think it's completely unfair that Berman was used as a scapegoat for Trek's decline. Maybe he is partly to blame, but he did some great things in the Star Trek universe and I respect him. Oh, and Happy Birthday Rick. That's Lucky to have a Birthday on the same day as Christmas.

Suddenly Human - D

One of the only fualts of the season. Suffice it to say, there was some good intentions here and there were some shocking moments like Jhono stabbing picard, but when you start the episode with a lot of screaming and loud music, it's already getting annoying. It fell way too over the top for an episode that could have been really good.
 
Saw a few more last night:

Remember Me - A-

This is probably my favorite Crusher episode of the series. It's a great mystery story and the audasity and illogic of it all makes it a blast all the way through. Who can't love quotes like "If there's nothing wrong with me, there must be something wrong with the universe" or Picard, with a straight face casually saying "we've never needed a crew before." :guffaw: It was fun watching the Doctor go crazy, and then fool the computer. Nice to see the traveler again, who I've considered a very interesting character.

Legacy - B

This is an episode that I don't watch very much and I'm not sure why. It's not that bad of an episode, and it was nice getting to know more about Tasha and her life before Starfleet on Terkana 4 through her sister. This episode also had something I've never known before. This was the first time Data described friendship through his "sensory Patterns" quote. Well, that is brought up again in Times Arrow between Riker and Troi. That made this scene more amusing.

Reunion - B+

This episode almost gets an A from me. We get a continuation of Worf's discommendation, then debut of the scariest eyes in all of Star Trek, and K'Ehleyr back. The only reason it doesn't get an A is because it introduces Alexander. It was sad to see K'Ehleyr die, since she was a great character, but for dramatic effect it was kind of necessary to give the episode that emotional punch for Worf.
 
Hmmm. The low on an authentic set from ebay is around $225. I'm crying poor, but then again it's only around 20 hours O/T - maybe I'll catch the next train.
Till then I can hop in on S7 when you get to it, I picked one of those up used for cheap a while back.
 
Transfigurations – C

A rather so-so episode. I don’t remember seeing this one before, but I’m sure I have. It was actually kind of nice not knowing ahead of time what was going to happen for a change. More than likely I haven’t seen it since it originally aired and just skipped it when browsing through my DVDs.

I am not buying Geordi’s sudden transformation from 24th century nerd to a ladies man and it not being questioned. In fact, one of the things that irritate me about this series is when a character all of a sudden starts acting differently and no alarm bells go off with those close to them.

All in all it was a decent episode, but I’m not likely to watch it again.

Best of Both Worlds, Pt. 1 – A+

What can I say about this episode that hasn’t been said already? It is an almost perfect hour of TV and one of the best of all of Star Trek. The conflict between Shelby and Riker is electric. And some people complain that TNG doesn’t have character conflict. :rolleyes:

"I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life, as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us.”

Tomorrow sometime I will watch Pt.2 and Family. I can’t wait for that. I probably would have been further along but I’ve been side tracked by another set of DVDs I recently got, an old western TV series from the 60s called Cimarron Strip. I love that old show.

Here is my summation of season three; it averaged out to be a B- for the year, while seasons one and two were both a C.

Best of Both Worlds, Pt. 1 – A+
Yesterday's Enterprise – A
The Offspring – A
Who Watches the Watchers? – A-
Tin Man – A-
The Survivors – B+
The Bonding – B+
The Defector – B
The Hunted – B
Sarek – B
The Ensigns of Command – B-
The Vengeance Factor – B-
Deja Q – B-
Captain's Holiday – B-
The Most Toys – B-
Evolution – C+
The Enemy – C+
Sins of the Father – C+
Allegiance – C +
A Matter of Perspective – C
Transfigurations – C
Booby Trap – C-
The Price – C-
The High Ground – C-
Hollow Pursuits – D
Ménage à Troi – D

And here are my best episodes from the first three seasons.

Best of Both Worlds, Pt. 1 – A+
Q Who? A
The Measure of a Man A
The Offspring – A
Yesterday's Enterprise – A
Tin Man – A-
Who Watches the Watchers? – A-
11001001 B+
The Bonding – B+
The Survivors – B+
Conspiracy B
Elementry Dear Data B
Sarek – B
The Defector – B
The Hunted – B
A Matter of Honor B-
Captain's Holiday – B-
Datalore B-
Deja Q – B-
The Big Goodbye B-
The Emissary B-
The Ensigns of Command – B-
The Most Toys – B-
The Vengeance Factor – B-
We’ll Always Have Paris B-
Where No One Has Gone Before B-
 
Is it just me, or did everyone else quit watching too?

I will get started again this week. Really.
 
I had a big urge to watch DS9 and actually tried to start something like this in that forum. I'll continue watching TNG and posting it here but right now I'm really in a DS9 mood. It might pass soon and I can get back to TNG, but I'm not sure when that will be.
 
I finished Season Four but haven't posted my reviews even though I've typed some of them up because I wanted to let everyone catch up instead of getting ahead of everyone. I migh go ahead and post for "Data's Day"-"Clues" today or tomorrow.
 
I watched several eps over Christmas but never got around to posting here, and when I've had time for DVD watching it's been something else. So it's time for me to get this show back on the road. Eventually. :lol:
 
I just discovered I can get Trek series sets via Netflix. And its the middle of winter. Goodbye, sweet world...
 
Well, here we go! Season 4 starting now!

Best of Both Worlds 2 - Action packed, good episode. The whole two-parter must've been nerve-wracking for everyone since no one knew what would happen and that everything would be alright in the end. I liked the solution too.

Family - Cute episode. Nice touching scenes with all these families. Worf's parents are funny. What I don't like about this episode is that Data is not in it AT ALL. I wonder what he was up to? Probably overseeing all sorts of upgrades and junk... sounds like that would be a responsibility of his position.

Brothers - Brent Spiner is a friggin genius! He was able to play not one, not two, but THREE separate characters at the same time and he did a damn good job of it!

Suddenly Human - A really interesting story. Not much more I can say beyond that. It is good though. The scene in Ten Forward was pretty funny too.
 
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Yes you are. I remember thinking this about a month ago. And yeah, it's a good episode. IMHO, one of TNG's best. And I say this as a Data fan.
 
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