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A Historical Question

MAGolding

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Here is a link to a historical question and its answer which fams of TNG might find interesting.

https://history.stackexchange.com/q...ficer-named-picard-at-the-battle-of-trafalgar

Of course Jean-Luc Picard might also know about ancestors who were not his patrilineal ancestors and who thus would hav eother surnames.

Assuming that Picard was borna bout 570 years after his ancestor at Trafalgar, he would have been born about 23 avverage generations since his ancestor was born. But maybe Picard's family had many successive ling genrations, so let's make it an even 20 generations.

Everyone has two parents, and every parent has two parents. So with every generation gap you go farther back, the number of postions for ancestors doubles. Having done this type of calculation many times before, I can tell you there are 1,024 posiitons for ancestors ten generation gaps back. Which means that there must be 1,048,576 positions for ancestors twenty generation gaps back.

Notice that I wrote positions for ancestors instead of ancestors. Any normal ancstry would include a lot of marriages between cousins considered to be distant but much closer than 18th cousins would be. So a number of Picard's ancestors should have married 2nd cousins, third cousins, 4th cousins,etc. Taht would reduce the number of separate biological persons who filled Picard's 1,048,586 ancestral positions 20 genrations back, becaome some persons would have been ancestors several times over.

Nevertheless, Picard should have had many, many thousands of adult male ancestors alive at the time of Trafalgar who potentially could have served on French ships there. Even more when you
consider how many boys served in the navies in those days so the ancestor didn't have to be an adult.

So PIcard's patrilineal ancestor in 1805, (or possibly a brother or cousin on the Picard side)., was not the only possible ancestor at tRafalgar that Picard might have been talkng about.
 
Well, if you have to link it to an actual real historical person, why limit yourself to just the French fleet? Picard has had ancestors that were Spanish conquistadors, the painting in his Nexus dream (see below) looks similar to (but there are some differences) to a British Royal Navy officer's uniform from Trafalgar (also see below), he reminisces about Nelson touring the HMS Victory at Trafalgar before falling in battle; before the Enterprise faces the Borg, and he's rather proud of his ancestor who fought there, which could indicate being on the winning side. So, he could potentially have had an ancestor in the combined Spanish / French or in the British fleet.

Troi: Your family history is very important to you, isn't it?
Picard: What? Oh. From being a small child, I can remember being told about the family line. The Picard who fought at Trafalgar. The Picard who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry. The Picards who settled the first Martian colonies. And when Robert married and he had a son, I...
Troi: You felt it was no longer your responsibility to carry on the family line.

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https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1436349954314932226

https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=521&page=8

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It's an idealized Nexus vision of course, so it's an unreliable Nexarrattar. That's probably why all of Picard's ancestors look like him with various hair and mustache experiments.

The curious thing is the painting of the TOS movie-era Monster Maroon (still with the white collar) on an older Picard with a Constitution Refit, since Picard said he was the first Picard to leave Earth's solar system. Could be an idealized re-imagining of his time on Stargazer back when it was originally intended to be a Constitution Class (in production, not in-universe) and with old school uniforms, or maybe Picard's doing some wish-fulfillment picturing himself like Kirk.

They seem to have found a couple Picards in the French fleet in the StackExchange discussion you linked to, though that's no big surprise, given the number of people serving in the French fleet at the time and the commonality of the name Picard.
 
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So PIcard's patrilineal ancestor in 1805, (or possibly a brother or cousin on the Picard side)., was not the only possible ancestor at tRafalgar that Picard might have been talkng about.

Of course.

Similarly, if you're (of western) European (descent), you're virtually guaranteed to be a descendant of Charlemagne in some way (or of anyone in that region alive back then that has current-day descendants). That's not the issue; the issue is being able to prove any such line you're descended from (if you are into such things, that is).
 
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Where did that Monster Maroon pic come from? :confused:
It was in the background in Picard's Nexus dream in Generations. It's just to the left of the candy cane pole in the top left background of the first screencap from Generations posted above.

Just below the pic is the TrekCore Twitter link where the painting pic was posted. Here it is again. Here's the painting highlighted in the screencap from the film:
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1436349954314932226
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Here's the individual painting:
https://twitter.com/JJ__MIGUEZ/status/1436679742699282437?s=20&t=DpCsKpWODPO05aAzgFhWzw
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^Wait, I'm sure that was used as a novel cover once:lol:

Also of course there's the evil version seen in Picard season two.
 
It was in the background in Picard's Nexus dream in Generations. It's just to the left of the candy cane pole in the top left background of the first screencap from Generations posted above.

Just below the pic is the TrekCore Twitter link where the painting pic was posted. Here it is again. Here's the painting highlighted in the screencap from the film:
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1436349954314932226
dPTh8cd.jpg


Here's the individual painting:
https://twitter.com/JJ__MIGUEZ/status/1436679742699282437?s=20&t=DpCsKpWODPO05aAzgFhWzw
YIvWerX.jpg
Is this supposed to be Picard when he was younger? When did he serve on a Refit Constitution?
 
Is this supposed to be Picard when he was younger? When did he serve on a Refit Constitution?
The curious thing is the painting of the TOS movie-era Monster Maroon (still with the white collar) on an older Picard with a Constitution Refit, since Picard said he was the first Picard to leave Earth's solar system. Could be an idealized re-imagining of his time on Stargazer back when it was originally intended to be a Constitution Class (in production, not in-universe) and with old school uniforms, or maybe Picard's doing some wish-fulfillment picturing himself like Kirk.
 
@MAGolding, not that I need a wall of text or anything, but a reply on the topic would be nice after I went around digging up all that stuff to address your question.
 
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