A fuller look at the Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan fued from both sides
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Surely... but anyway, even if this feud was regrettable, the real on-set tension served both actresses to enter in their roles straightly, what offered us some great tensed moments in season 4, so as we say in France, "cela a été un mal pour un bien" (
it was a blessing in disguise)!
Yes I am curious, just PM me
Hello Voth,
No: 'If you would just pm me" or "if you would pm me please". I'm a person, not a vending machine.
Nor did you specifically agree to the terms. Furthermore this stuff isn't for gossip that is why I required those terms in the first place. I'm not looking to single Jeri out either. I also would prefer if you didn't post this stuff anywhere else either and only pm'd other people with it if you want. I'd prefer if you only use the stuff in an informing manner. Do you agree to all that?
And for the record I'm still not 100% sure about it being a fact as I was stating in my first post, though I have remembered one other possible explanation. And no, just in case anybody wondered, no it is not about porn or an assault or stealing money.
And earlier you said about their scenes being fantastic. For me some of their scenes are some of the most entertaining of the series. They are both great actors.
A few months ago, after I heard of the feud, their situation sparked a movie story idea. I'll look to run it by people here and see what they think of it. Starting this thread made me think of it again.
I agree to all your stated terms, I apologize if I sounded demanding or rude, and I won't tell anyone else. I promise this on my honor.
I want to consider a bit more about which links to send you. And of course there are other things to do. I'll look to get back to you in 3 or 4 days at the latest.
Terrific, fantastatic, great, incredible, entertaining etc... no matter the word used, their scenes were the best moments of the series and I think that played, among other things, at ratings.
Well, I trully don't think that the feud between Mulgrew and Ryan played a in the absence of a cinema movie (again, even if Mulgrew & Ryan disagreed backstage, they have always managed to remain very professional once the cameras worked and it would have been the same and there is no reason to think it would have been different if they have shot a movie or a telefilm. In fact, I doubt that the idea of a Voyager's movie/telefilm even crossed Berman's mind or even Paramount. I mean, let us face it, Star Trek:Voyager has never been a great value for money (the audience warrmly welcomed Seven of Nine/Jeri Ryan in Scorpion and her presence clearly improved the ratingsat the beginning but once the initial surprise has been digested, the ratings returned down ..., even if the fall was more restrained, situation which allowed the production to offer 3others seasons to fans.
And then, while Star Trek: DS9, which was a rather popular ST series, the series had no sequel, whatever on theaters screens or TV screens, so, how Voyager, which was less popular than TNG & DS9, would had a would have had this chance? And after the failure of Star Trek: Nemisis, all hope was destroyed.
No, neither series had a chance. I believe that Berman paid lip service to the idea that both series would eventually make their way to the big screen, but I suspect that over time he realized that the potential to make money was not there. OTOH, I would have hoped more characters from those series would have been folded into the TNG movies. If I am not mistaken, there was a strong push to replace Marina Sirtis with Seven of Nine within the Paramount brass.
ETA: To the bigger question of the relationship between Mulgrew and Ryan, Mulgrew seems to bear the brunt of the press concerning Ryan's poor treatment. I believe that in Fifty Year Mission, Wang tells that a much of the cast was preparing to demand Ryan be fired, only to be stopped when Wang and Beltran shamed them into stopping. Potentially the entire rest of the cast was hostile to Ryan, but I am not sure we've heard any of them owning up to it.
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You're not mistaken. I read too that Jeri Ryan has been called to replace Marina Sirtis, in Star Trek: Nemesis, for a common pay issue (?) but Ryan seemed to have refused for 2 reasons : 1) she was already committed with Boston Public & 2) she didn't see at all what she had to do there, among people with whom she had never worked before. And on this point, I rather agree with her... :-O
By cons, we got Kate Mulgrew's cameo as Adm. Janeway! :-D
Well, if I remember well, TNG's cast has done the same to shove Diane Muldaur (Dr Pulaski) out the door at the end of S2 and re-install Gates McFadden (Dr Crusher) in s3. Why did it work in TNG and not Voyager? I'd say that 1) actors didn't present a unified front in front of the production & 2) Muldaur decided to leave of her own, tired of the pressure/ambiance exerted by the cast, while Jeri Ryan was determined to stay (even if she has to date one of the producers to protect herself from any attempt to get fired).
Wait so the whole cast wanted Ryan out? Why was that? Was Lien that popular? Was it the pretty new girl effect?
I'd love to hear some sources on this from people other than Wang and Beltran. I mean did McNeil and Dawson want her gone? Philips and Russ as well?
What motivated Ryan to stay?
I'd love to hear some sources on this from people other than Wang and Beltran. I mean did McNeil and Dawson want her gone? Philips and Russ as well?
What motivated Ryan to stay?
How fascinating.
Send me the info via PM too. Please.
There was also a TREMENDOUS fan campaign to get Crushed back.
It's unfortunate, but all too common these days, for people to feel like they have to be 100% on one side or the other.
My opinion is that both sides behaved badly, but in different ways. No matter how common it may be to shack up with coworkers in Hollywood, it's unprofessional. Regardless of the truth of the situation, Ryan banging the boss created the impression of nepotism/favoritism. To this day she seems to have trouble taking ownership of that decision, feeling that it was well within her right and NOT unprofessional to be banging the boss. That sort of qasi-casting-couch situation is not unique even in Trek. Note Gene's connection with Majel and Nichelle Nichols and potentially other female guest-stars. But that doesn't make any of it right.
If Mulgrew felt the main motivation in making Seven the focus of the show was favoritism, then she'd have a genuine grievance. The passive-aggressive way she dealt with it was not going to help matters, however.
If you eliminate the Braga romance from the picture and are left with the marketing decision of trying to sex up the show with a chick in a catsuit, then I think Mulgrew has less of a case for being bitchy. The closest two analogies I can think of are when Fonzie took over Happy Days and Han Solo outshined Luke in the Star Wars movies. In both cases, the overshadowed actors handled the situation professionally...in a way that never blamed the fellow actor for becoming more popular.
It's not uncommon for actors to compete for prominence. Shatner was legendary for counting lines and asking for certain lines to be redirected to him, and Takei was notorious for making a big deal about this in his memoirs. So much of being an actor is like trying to win a popularity contest so it's natural for them to seem petty like this.
So I really do not expect actors of any stripe to demonstrate a high degree of personal maturity. They really aren't role-models.
My opinion is that both sides behaved badly, but in different ways. No matter how common it may be to shack up with coworkers in Hollywood, it's unprofessional. Regardless of the truth of the situation, Ryan banging the boss created the impression of nepotism/favoritism. To this day she seems to have trouble taking ownership of that decision, feeling that it was well within her right and NOT unprofessional to be banging the boss. That sort of qasi-casting-couch situation is not unique even in Trek. Note Gene's connection with Majel and Nichelle Nichols and potentially other female guest-stars. But that doesn't make any of it right.
If Mulgrew felt the main motivation in making Seven the focus of the show was favoritism, then she'd have a genuine grievance. The passive-aggressive way she dealt with it was not going to help matters, however.
If you eliminate the Braga romance from the picture and are left with the marketing decision of trying to sex up the show with a chick in a catsuit, then I think Mulgrew has less of a case for being bitchy. The closest two analogies I can think of are when Fonzie took over Happy Days and Han Solo outshined Luke in the Star Wars movies. In both cases, the overshadowed actors handled the situation professionally...in a way that never blamed the fellow actor for becoming more popular.
It's not uncommon for actors to compete for prominence. Shatner was legendary for counting lines and asking for certain lines to be redirected to him, and Takei was notorious for making a big deal about this in his memoirs. So much of being an actor is like trying to win a popularity contest so it's natural for them to seem petty like this.
So I really do not expect actors of any stripe to demonstrate a high degree of personal maturity. They really aren't role-models.
I don't believe any else in the cast has addressed the feud. It only comes up when they are not around, as far as I can tell. It's possible that Picardo felt threatened. He has admitted that he encouraged interactions between Kes and the EMH in order to get more screen time. Without Kes, he feared he had no link to the crew, and Seven would replace the EMH as the newly emergent being. Thus he "suggested" that the Doctor become one of Seven' s primary mentors.
It has been widely reported that the shenanigans began before their relationship.
Perhaps, but her decision to bang the boss just gave Kate more reason to dislike her.
I agree when it comes to their interactions with each other. OTOH, their out-of-character comments/attitudes about the show, characters, franchise, etc, definitely DO concern me. Maybe they shouldn't. But Beltran is dead to me.
This is just bizarre. By hinting that there is some terrible secret about Ryan you're already casting aspersions on her. And if you're willing to reveal it via PMs anyway, there is little reason to hide it in the first place. Either just say the thing or don't bring it up at all.
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