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A few Star Wars Questions?

I have a question:

When Luke spoke of submitting his application to "the academy" in A New Hope, what academy was he speaking of? Did the rebellion have an academy or was he speaking of the Empire? Or some other academy altogether?

:confused:

He was talking about joining the Imperial Academy.

However, since Luke was anti-Empire, his plan was to join the Imperial Academy, take advantage of their training and instruction, and then defect to the Rebellion.

WOW! The thought of Luke Skywalker in an imperial uniform boggles the mind. (My nerdy, geeky mind anyway.)
 
Help me obiwan your my only hope....

can I ask a question.... has it ever been addressed where/when obiwan met princess leah before movie four and after movie 3 where they were born...
 
Help me obiwan your my only hope....

can I ask a question.... has it ever been addressed where/when obiwan met princess leah before movie four and after movie 3 where they were born...

Apparently not. We are to assume that Obiwan was somehow active in the rebellion after ROTS, and had some contact with her in the past.
 
Naw, we're to assume that her father told her who he is. She doesn't talk as if she's ever spoken to him before. And she doesn't address him as "Obi-Wan", she addresses him by his full name of "Obi-Wan Kenobi" or as "General Kenobi." And she speaks to him specifically on her father's behalf. Look.

"General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to convey my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."
 
Naw, we're to assume that her father told her who he is. She doesn't address him as "Obi-Wan", she addresses him by his full name of "Obi-Wan Kenobi" or as "General Kenobi." And she speaks to him specifically on her father's behalf. Look.

"General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to convey my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."


Good point..I stand corrected.

BTW, since when are "generals" active in battle? It's as if Lucas realized "General" is a top rank, so let me make them all Generals. But historically speaking, Generals are strategists...not active combat soldiers but for some exceptions like Patton, who pretty much got off on combat.
 
I'm not even touching that one.

Besides, that's no worse than a Queen who is apparently no older than 15 and who was apparently elected to her position by popular vote. Who the hell votes a teenager into a planetary executive office? Paging Prez Rickard....
 
I'm not even touching that one.

Besides, that's no worse than a Queen who is apparently no older than 15 and who was apparently elected to her position by popular vote. Who the hell votes a teenager into a planetary executive office? Paging Prez Rickard....

..or making Jar Jar Binks a senator. If you follow the details, Jar jar is responsble for the fall of the Republic by introducing the vote to give Palpatine "emergency" powers...which he never rescinded.

It's this kind of lameness in the story that I have trouble with in the prequels.
 
Oh, I don't necessarily have a problem with the concept of making Jar Jar a senator... if we assume he underwent some personal growth between movies, or discovered a talent at politics or exposition... (yeah, right). Concepts like that only require you to assume a few facts not in evidence, and they can be made to work. YMMV, of course.

But the concept of a teenager being elected to planetary leadership doesn't make sense on any level, unless you make some highly unreasonable assumptions. Such as Padme being some sort of child prodigy, or genetically engineered with advanced leadership skills. Or the entire population of Naboo being retarded. None of which were apparently true (though that last would explain why they were successfully invaded by a few battledroids!).

Calling her "Queen" in TPM worked as long as you could assume she inherited a hereditary position at a young age. All that goes out the window if you declare it was an elected position.

I realize that this doesn't address the question of why a "general" would be active in battle. I dunno, maybe the Jedi Order is made up of Patton-types? Wouldn't be any weirder than what we already know about them....
 
But the concept of a teenager being elected to planetary leadership doesn't make sense on any level, unless you make some highly unreasonable assumptions. Such as Padme being some sort of child prodigy, or genetically engineered with advanced leadership skills. Or the entire population of Naboo being retarded.

I sort of assumed it's a sort of power-sharing ploy between groups of merchant families/nobles/whatever political divisions they have on Naboo. Perhaps they've formed a co-operative council and share power, but are wary of giving anyone the top position? So, to stop them fighting over it, they select an adolescent from a minor family - a well-educated, unusually mature, "presentable" adolescent and he or she takes the role of king or queen, but being only a teenager naturally they take advice from the council. So any power struggles are about having influence over the king/queen rather than trying to knock each other off the top spot. They all remain equals when it comes to official power? And the monarch is just the "pure and perfect" face of government and the leader that everyone can love and invest in without getting bogged down in - or torn apart by - political rivalries or imbalances of power?

Or something. :lol: That's my convulated attempt to explain it.
 
Naw, we're to assume that her father told her who he is. She doesn't talk as if she's ever spoken to him before. And she doesn't address him as "Obi-Wan", she addresses him by his full name of "Obi-Wan Kenobi" or as "General Kenobi." And she speaks to him specifically on her father's behalf. Look.

"General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to convey my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

exactly who does she think her father is at this point in time...
"you served my father" isn't that the other way around?
 
In reality, I guess it is! :techman:

But there was only one father Leia ever knew, her adoptive father, Bail Organa. Organa was a senator in the Galactic Republic, which was served by the Jedi Order, of whom Kenobi was a member. In some sense, Kenobi served Organa.

It's a lot easier than saying "The outfit you worked for, which doesn't actually exist anymore, while it existed took orders from the government my father worked for, which also doesn't exist anymore." :ack:

It's really the same as the issue about saying that Yoda trained Kenobi.
 
She's talking about Bail Organa. However, the PT did not explain how Obi-Wan served Bail in the Clone Wars. It could be said that the Jedi serve the Republic at the behest of the Senate, but that's still not Obi-Wan serving Bail specifically.
 
Naw, we're to assume that her father told her who he is. She doesn't address him as "Obi-Wan", she addresses him by his full name of "Obi-Wan Kenobi" or as "General Kenobi." And she speaks to him specifically on her father's behalf. Look.

"General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to convey my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."


Good point..I stand corrected.

BTW, since when are "generals" active in battle? It's as if Lucas realized "General" is a top rank, so let me make them all Generals. But historically speaking, Generals are strategists...not active combat soldiers but for some exceptions like Patton, who pretty much got off on combat.

It's a retcon at this point, but The Clone Wars has the Jedi Generals leading attacks all the time. They're on the ground or in the cockpit right alongside the clone troops.

But the concept of a teenager being elected to planetary leadership doesn't make sense on any level, unless you make some highly unreasonable assumptions. Such as Padme being some sort of child prodigy, or genetically engineered with advanced leadership skills. Or the entire population of Naboo being retarded.

I sort of assumed it's a sort of power-sharing ploy between groups of merchant families/nobles/whatever political divisions they have on Naboo. Perhaps they've formed a co-operative council and share power, but are wary of giving anyone the top position? So, to stop them fighting over it, they select an adolescent from a minor family - a well-educated, unusually mature, "presentable" adolescent and he or she takes the role of king or queen, but being only a teenager naturally they take advice from the council. So any power struggles are about having influence over the king/queen rather than trying to knock each other off the top spot. They all remain equals when it comes to official power? And the monarch is just the "pure and perfect" face of government and the leader that everyone can love and invest in without getting bogged down in - or torn apart by - political rivalries or imbalances of power?

Or something. :lol: That's my convulated attempt to explain it.

That's....not bad actually. I kinda like that. A little reminiscent of the houses in Dune, but Lucas cribbed from that anyways.

Seriously, I could see that working in the Star Wars verse.
 
Set Harth said:
She's talking about Bail Organa. However, the PT did not explain how Obi-Wan served Bail in the Clone Wars. It could be said that the Jedi serve the Republic at the behest of the Senate, but that's still not Obi-Wan serving Bail specifically.

Like I said: it's in the same vein as saying Yoda trained Kenobi; i.e., it is technically true in the larger sense and it isn't worth anyone's time to get more specific.

Besides, all Leia knows is what Bail told her. Telling those old Clone Wars bedtime stories while she was growing up, he probably altered their roles considerably!
 
But the concept of a teenager being elected to planetary leadership doesn't make sense on any level, unless you make some highly unreasonable assumptions. Such as Padme being some sort of child prodigy, or genetically engineered with advanced leadership skills. Or the entire population of Naboo being retarded. None of which were apparently true (though that last would explain why they were successfully invaded by a few battledroids!).

I always thought it was a cultural thing, on Naboo people just believe that the best form of government is being lead by a teenage girl. (Queen being a ceremonial title obviously, anyway). Kathmandu has a living goddes residing there, being worshipped which in her current incarnation is an 8 year old.
I just filed it under weird cultural habit, showing that the Star Wars planets have their own way of doing things...
 
Like I said: it's in the same vein as saying Yoda trained Kenobi; i.e., it is technically true in the larger sense and it isn't worth anyone's time to get more specific.

For all I know, this has already been explained somewhere in the EU. If not, it still could be. The Clone Wars show could cover it.
 
Like I said: it's in the same vein as saying Yoda trained Kenobi; i.e., it is technically true in the larger sense and it isn't worth anyone's time to get more specific.

For all I know, this has already been explained somewhere in the EU. If not, it still could be. The Clone Wars show could cover it.

It was explained in Ep 2: Yoda trains groups of younglings before they go to a master. Thus Obi Wan started under Yoda, then was taken by Qui Gon as his padawan.
 
Like I said: it's in the same vein as saying Yoda trained Kenobi; i.e., it is technically true in the larger sense and it isn't worth anyone's time to get more specific.

For all I know, this has already been explained somewhere in the EU. If not, it still could be. The Clone Wars show could cover it.

It was explained in Ep 2: Yoda trains groups of younglings before they go to a master. Thus Obi Wan started under Yoda, then was taken by Qui Gon as his padawan.

Exactly. If I tell you that Mr. Smith is my old teacher, it is still true even if I later studied under Mr. Johnson.
 
There's an interesting old Marvel comic where Obi-Wan undergoes a mission for Bail Organa:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Silent_Drifting


Regarding the rebel ships, a few of them were actually meant for the Empire according to the Expanded Universe. The X-wing and the Medical/Escort Frigates in particular. The Y-wings, as Clone Wars revealed, are stripped-down republic starfighters. Later ships such as the A-wing and B-wing were developed exclusively for the rebels according to various reference books.

Luke actually does don an Imperial uniform in one of the Empire comic works where he goes undercover. The story has an interesting twist to it, finally answering an obscure bit of Star Wars trivia (Not going to spoil it here, follow the link).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Empire:_The_Wrong_Side_of_the_War


Later, when the Republic is reestablished, one of the novels has the New Republic start a general overhaul of the fleet, replacing most of the aging Rebellion ships with new stuff.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Class
 
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