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A celebration for the Jodie Whittaker era

The Nth Doctor

Wanderer in the Fourth Dimension
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I get why many fans (at least around here) aren't terribly thrilled by the Jodie Whittaker era, but it's been especially disheartening to see that feeling rise to full effect in the past week with the news of her impending departure. I also get that most of that criticism is out of disappointment about not reaching and/or exceeding perceived potential. And I know a lot of people (even those who are less critical of the era) don't like the Timeless Child business. Hell, I'm still chewing on that one and I don't think I'll able to resolve how I actually feel about it until I see how Whittaker's final season plays out.

That said, I want move past all of that and celebrate the Whittaker era. I'm not saying people can't be critical in this discussion but I want to focus on the positives because it's been rather dire this past week.

I've loved the cheerful, upbeat nature of her performance as The Thirteenth Doctor and especially when she gawks in awe at some scientific achievement (like in "The Tsuranga Conundrum") without even a hint of belittlement. Her high energy and curiosity for everything reminds me a lot of Matt Smitth's performance as The Eleventh Doctor, which is a big plus in my book since he's my favorite modern Doctor. I've often seen people criticize how The Thirteenth Doctor occasionally takes the back seat to her companions, but I don't mind that because she's not the first Doctor to have that particular relationship with her companions (First and Fifth come to mind) and that only highlights how much The Doctor relies on her companions, an important, continuous theme of the show.

Regarding the companions, Yaz has been by far favorite companion of the two series, although I think that was more because of how much I loved Mandip Gill's performance than how she was written. I do wish she had more to work with and I continue to lament that she isn't the only companion next series. Graham had by far the best storyline of the three companions and I loved how the show took a serious and continuous look at someone living with grief, and doing so alongside with someone he didn't have a strong relationship with initially. I've never shared the animosity (or just plain indifference) most people seem to have towards Ryan, but I always enjoyed his relationships with his grandfather and Yaz, and how he would occasionally keep The Doctor honest (particularly in "Revolution of the Daleks").

I think I'm also in the minority on this count but I've absolutely loved Sacha Dhawan's performances as The Master, regardless of the storyline he had to work with (loved "Spyfall," still chewing on the two-part finale). He brought the right manic energy to the character while going toe to toe with Whittaker's Doctor. The only thing I never liked was how we never got a real sense of what he was so angry about regarding the Time Lords' deceit about their history, but that's more of a criticism of the writing than Dhawan's performance of the material. I know some people think his Master is regressive of Missy, but I'm less bothered by that because he was still following his core nature (although I do wish The Doctor had at least addressed the change from Missy).

I know the show's music wasn't often talked about (except for the occasional person who missed Murray Gold's work), but I have to give a special shout out to Segun Akinola's scores. I loved how very different his music varied from Gold's compositions (which I ranged from loving to hating with little middle ground) and how alienit often sounded. More importantly, I never found it overly intrusive or trying to dictate how the viewer should feel, but instead enhanced the experience as the best scores do for any show or film.

The complications of the Timeless Child aside, I've largely enjoyed both series with only one episode standing out as not all that great ("Orphan 55" and even it had its Farscape-esque pluses).

Among my favorite episodes (roughly in order):

It Takes You Away
The Haunting of Villa Diodati
Fugitive of the Judoon
Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror
Demons on the Punjab
The Tsuranga Conundrum (I know I'm in the minority on this one in particular)
The Witchfinders (until the final minutes when it became just another alien story)
Spyfall (more so part one than part two)
Can You Hear Me?
Praxeus
Kerblam!
The Ghost Monument
I'm sorry this became such a long read, but that does show much I've largely enjoyed the Jodie Whittaker era so far. On that note, I'd love to read how people enjoyed her era.
 
The Master reveal in Spyfall and the previous Doctor reveal (complete with TARDIS somehow in police box form before it got stuck in police box form) blew me away
Nice cast, some funny lines, Captain Jack Harkness...
 
The Master reveal in Spyfall and the previous Doctor reveal (complete with TARDIS somehow in police box form before it got stuck in police box form) blew me away
Nice cast, some funny lines, Captain Jack Harkness...
This is a comment, with no intention to engage if any dogpiling happens for an unpopular opinion.

I saw the trailers, I've seen clips, and opted to pass on this doctor because her voice grates on my ears.

So if she's leaving, maybe the next Doctor will induce me to return (I left nuWho after Clara-who-ate-the-who-fucking-franchise-and-would-not-stay-dead STILL won't die). And if Clara never shows up, especially in 2023. That might also get me back.

Meanwhile, I found some Fifth Doctor fanfic on one of the fanfic sites and am going back to finish it.

Done here.
 
This is a comment, with no intention to engage if any dogpiling happens for an unpopular opinion.

I saw the trailers, I've seen clips, and opted to pass on this doctor because her voice grates on my ears.

So if she's leaving, maybe the next Doctor will induce me to return (I left nuWho after Clara-who-ate-the-who-fucking-franchise-and-would-not-stay-dead STILL won't die). And if Clara never shows up, especially in 2023. That might also get me back.

Meanwhile, I found some Fifth Doctor fanfic on one of the fanfic sites and am going back to finish it.

Done here.
Thanks for celebrating with us!
 
I've never met a Doctor I didn't like and that continues with the 13th Doctor. She was an inventor & a tinkerer, and continued the practice of her previous incarnations of fighting the good fight--but did it with a generally sunny disposition. I pretty much enjoyed her entire run, liked every member of the Fam, and liked how the show addressed some social issues through allegory and other issues head on. It might not always have been perfectly done, but it didn't pretend it didn't exist at all, IMO.

I really only have two criticisms about Jodie's run:
  1. I never warmed up to her TARDIS. The first time I saw it in a leaked photo, I thought it was a fake because I've seen far better fan-made console rooms.
  2. The Timeless Child. I could go on and on about it, but ultimately I simply hate it and it can't be retconned away fast enough for me.
I'm going to miss the 13th Doctor, but change is an aspect of the show and I'm excited for what comes next.
 
Re: The Timeless Child:
The First Doctor was never meant to be the first Doctor.

All Chibnall did was explicitly Canonize something that had only heretofore been implicit.

To the topic at hand, though, Thirteen is currently my favorite Modern-era Doctor and my second-favorite Doctor overall, and she'll forever be a bright spot for the franchise regardless of how much the haters might try to dull her shine.

Favorite moments/elements of her era so far:
* The Timeless Child story arc
* Her platonic love for her Companions
* The fact that she built her Sonic out of spoons
* Her zeal for science
* Her compassion
* The following episodes: The Woman Who Fell to Earth, The Ghost Monument, It Takes You Away, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos, Spyfall, Orphan 55, Fugitive of the Judoon, The Timeless Children, and Revolution of the Daleks
 
I've never met a Doctor I didn't like and that continues with the 13th Doctor. She was an inventor & a tinkerer, and continued the practice of her previous incarnations of fighting the good fight--but did it with a generally sunny disposition.
* The fact that she built her Sonic out of spoons
* Her zeal for science
Absolutely. I touched on her love for science, but I forgot to also emphasize on her tinkering nature. I wish we had gotten more of that.

  1. I never warmed up to her TARDIS. The first time I saw it in a leaked photo, I thought it was a fake because I've seen far better fan-made console rooms.
I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of her TARDIS interior, but at the same time, she's coming off the heels of easily my favorite modern TARDIS interior (and maybe my favorite period), complete with its second-level library! That's a tough act to follow.

I'm going to miss the 13th Doctor, but change is an aspect of the show and I'm excited for what comes next.
Likewise. I just wish we would've gotten more of her and I don't just mean the abbreviated upcoming series. I wish we could've had four, five, six series of her!
 
I think there was far more good than bad to Jodie's run, and that includes the Timeless Child twist, which I thought was brilliant. Sadly, while there was plenty of "good", there wasn't enough "great", but that's not on Jodie, that's on the scripts.

I am looking forward to what's coming next, but the two things that could turn me off the show for the foreseeable future would be casting another white male as the Doctor or retconning the Timeless Child.

I liked Jodi right from the start, but it was this scene in Resolution where she became the Doctor to me.

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I've never met a Doctor I didn't like
Hmm, Colin tested that somewhat ! ;)

Jodie's been great and I did appreciate the historical ones, particularly Rosa and Demons of the Punjab. I realise I'm an outlier, but I was good with Doctor Jo and the Timeless Child stuff too.

Jodie was dealt a bad hand with too many (bad) companions, some plot shortfalls and awful dialogue, but she's come pretty close to creating a silk purse from very poor raw materials on occasion.

I'm hoping for a barnstorming final season with a long overdue shift in format, and a speedy transition to Big Finish !
 
The Timeless Child backstory for the Doctor is forever going to be a part of the franchise's lore even if Chibnall is the only Showrunner to overtly address it going forward.

That's just a fact.

Fans can choose to ignore it if they wish, but the lore itself and whatever impact it ultimately has on the Thirteenth Doctor specifically before the end of her life will remain.
 
Favourite "episode":

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Yeah, I really loved that little aside. It's so perfectly The Doctor and it's not even part of the show properly. That shows how much Whittaker captured The Doctor's essence.

Sadly, while there was plenty of "good", there wasn't enough "great", but that's not on Jodie, that's on the scripts.
Naturally, that's a matter of opinion, but I think "It Takes You Away," "The Haunting of Villa Diodati," "Fugitive of the Judoon," "Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror," and "Demons on the Punjab" are all excellent. I also think she's had a far better ratio of great & excellent to merely decent & rubbish in her first two series than Capaldi did (his first series was pretty dire with the exception of three episodes).

I liked Jodi right from the start, but it was this scene in resolution where she became the Doctor to me.

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I love that scene a lot, but especially how The Doctor went from righteous and defiant against the Dalek to tender and cautious to Lin, telling her to keep fighting and not abandon hope.

Hmm, Colin tested that somewhat ! ;)
Colin's era isn't that bad (he has a few serials that I love), but he is absolutely amazing in the Big Finish audio plays, demonstrating what his run could've been if had been given a better chance and better scripts.

I realise I'm an outlier, but I was good with Doctor Jo and the Timeless Child stuff too.
Oh, damn, I completely forgot to comment on The Ruth Doctor. I really loved her addition to the mythos regardless of her connection to the Timeless Child situation and I really hope we get to see more of her in the next series and beyond (and then Big Finish!).
 
Hmm, Colin tested that somewhat ! ;)
Maybe for you, but the Sixth Doctor came on the heels of a cuddly incarnation and was more of a "I'm a Time Lord, deal with it" type. In his final series, he became one of the strongest incarnations of the Doctor, IMO.
DigificWriter said:
The Timeless Child backstory for the Doctor is forever going to be a part of the franchise's lore even if Chibnall is the only Showrunner to overtly address it going forward.

That's just a fact.

Fans can choose to ignore it if they wish, but the lore itself and whatever impact it ultimately has on the Thirteenth Doctor specifically before the end of her life will remain.
The Eighth Doctor once revealed a long-held secret--that he was half-Human (on his mother's side).

That's also just a fact.

The show itself can choose to ignore The Timeless Child concept if it wishes. Doctor Who has always made up shi--I mean, stuff as it went along, and has ignored or retconned parts of its lore when a current story demands it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's up to the next showrunner to decide.
 
The show itself can choose to ignore The Timeless Child concept if it wishes.

Even though no iteration of the Doctor post-Eight has talked about being half-Human, that detail still exists as established lore and will still exist as established lore even if it's never mentioned again.

The same applies to the Valeyard being an aspect of the Doctor and the same will apply to the Doctor's backstory as the Timeless Child. Even if no other Showrunner touches upon it, it will still remain as established lore.

That's the one good thing about the franchise not explicitly establishing a hard Canon; everything that it has ever said with regards to lore is true even if it never gets referenced after a certain point.
 
Even though no iteration of the Doctor post-Eight has talked about being half-Human, that detail still exists as established lore and will still exist as established lore even if it's never mentioned again.

The same applies to the Valeyard being an aspect of the Doctor and the same will apply to the Doctor's backstory as the Timeless Child. Even if no other Showrunner touches upon it, it will still remain as established lore.

That's the one good thing about the franchise not explicitly establishing a hard Canon; everything that it has ever said with regards to lore is true even if it never gets referenced after a certain point.
I totally disagree with all that, but you're welcome to it. Agree to disagree. Peace.
 
I find this doctor series the worst of the new batch, but thats not Jodie's fault, I quite like her, more the Tennant sometimes, definatly better than #9 as well, Matt is my favorite, then Peter. But Peter, like Jodie had lack luster scripts, there were highlights and Peter and Jodie's acting ability and general likableness helped.
But in the end, a good doctor run, let down by the back office and there scripts, politics, etc. etc. I hope that her last season and specials send her off in a good way, she deserves it.
Also.. I think she has the best opening, listened to on a hi bass home theatre sounds Excellent!
 
I have really only one positive thing to say about the era, and so I'll keep my comments to that:

The Jo Martin Doctor was great. I'd love to see adventures with just her. I like that I can head-canon her character into the timeline pre-Chibnall BS, too (she could easily be the "real" Third Doctor, coming after Troughton and then regenerating into Pertwee with amnesia of the previous incarnation, which would explain why her TARDIS is a police box while having the other Doctors not remember her), but regardless I think she did a great job with what she had. I really think that she could have lead the show, at least based on what we saw of her.

I will say that, like many have said before (including me), I think that Whittaker could have been really good, but she was put in a terrible situation where no one could have succeeded. If I saw her in a multi-Doctor story in the future I'd be happy to see her, regardless of my opinion on her era.
 
I think I'm also in the minority on this count but I've absolutely loved Sacha Dhawan's performances as The Master, regardless of the storyline he had to work with (loved "Spyfall," still chewing on the two-part finale). He brought the right manic energy to the character while going toe to toe with Whittaker's Doctor.

I *adored* him! And (for once) I was completely surprised when he revealed himself.

The Jo Martin Doctor was great. I'd love to see adventures with just her. I like that I can head-canon her character into the timeline pre-Chibnall BS, too (she could easily be the "real" Third Doctor, coming after Troughton and then regenerating into Pertwee with amnesia of the previous incarnation, which would explain why her TARDIS is a police box while having the other Doctors not remember her), but regardless I think she did a great job with what she had. I really think that she could have lead the show, at least based on what we saw of her.

That's a really cool idea! That would explain things without being too outrageous (for this show). :cool:
 
I liked her era a lot (so far! It's not quite over yet!) While I didn't enjoy series 11 a lot upon initial watching my recent re-watch raised my opinion of it quite a lot. Series 11 is just incredibly comfortable to me. It's just the Doctor and her friends going on adventures, which is just the breath of fresh air the show needed for me after six seasons of Moffat's unnecessarily intricate messes of over-arching plots. That, and the increased episode length made it feel almost Classic Who-esque to me, but a little more compressed, and more easily viewed in one viewing (as opposed to Classic serials, which I prefer to watch one episode per day). The more upbeat tone also worked great thematically, following the increasing darkness during the Twelfth Doctor’s era. It really feels like a well-earned dawn after a long night. I also liked the absence of regular enemies like the Daleks and the Cybermen, etc. Frankly, I was a bit astounded at the criticism of series 11, that it didn’t feature any returning villains, after years of complaining of Dalek overuse. What else can I say, companions work great together, even though the increased number does stifle anyone’s individual character development/screen time. I especially hope that Yasmin gets a bit more to do next season. The Ryan and Graham’s relationship was also among my highlights of season 11. I guess I didn’t particularly like Kerblam!, but that’s about the extent of my misgivings with series 11.

I haven’t rewatched series 12 yet, so my opinions are subject to change (obviously), but I liked it less than I do series 11. It does somewhat feel like overcompensating on the returning character front, whether intended or not. And while I don’t think that’s inherently bad (it can absolutely feel like a “triumphant return” after a series with new threats), the Master in particular didn’t really land for me. I think that’s entirely due to me not being over Missy yet. She may be my favorite part of the entire Moffat era and her (and the Simm Master’s death) death and Twelve subsequently never knowing that she did came back to the light side at the end is just beautiful. And I kinda hated that all that got followed up with “eh, the Master’s back as generic evil Time Lord”. I think the Cybermen worked well enough, as did the Judoon. Oh, one note. The Doctor Who YouTube channel has to be the worst thing that happened to me, in regards to this series. Some days after “Spyfall” aired (but before I could watch it) they put out two videos called “O – The Reveal” and “History of the Master”. Thanks for spoiling that for me YouTube channel. Same with Captain Jack later on, but at least Jack wasn’t teased throughout the episode. Watching “O” pretending to be someone he wasn’t, when I already knew who he was was just very tedious. I loved “Praxeus”, which felt very much a series 11 episode. “Nikola Tesla’s Night of Terror” is also a great example of why Who should keep doing semi-historical episodes, and more extravagant titles. As for the Timeless Child, it’s fine. I consider Doctor Who canon to be very, well, bendable, so I’m totally okay with retconning in whatever you like. I just wish they actually did something with it. Maybe it’s because of fan backlash, or because it just was never planned any other way, but I thought “Revolution of the Daleks” sort of shrugging off the Doctor’s origin as the Timeless Child was a disappointing way to follow that up. I mean, the retcon in and of itself doesn’t mean anything if you don’t do interesting character stuff with it, and Thirteen saying “Yeah, I’m still me”, while in and of itself a perfectly fine statement is just boring from a story perspective. But who knows, maybe next series will do something with it. Anyway, “Can You Hear Me?” was great fun.

I also read the first three volumes of the Titan comic and, like the Twelfth Doctor comic which also ran concurrent to his TV appearances, it just didn’t feel as interesting as their Eleventh Doctor ongoing did. I did think that the art was a great improvement over previous Titan DW comics I’ve read, so that’s great. Also the Corsair appearance was a highlight.
 
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