LOL you made my day. Now I have visions of that as an actual episode... Maybe on SVU...
Actually that would make for a great SVU episode...
9X01 "The Magician's Apprentice" Grading/Discussion)
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LOL you made my day. Now I have visions of that as an actual episode... Maybe on SVU...
Actually that would make for a great SVU episode...
Now I'm imagining Vincent D'Onofrio in "Trial Of A Time Lord"
Since the TARDIS sees all of time, it is likely that the TARDIS detected a pre-destination paradox. The Doctor had to meet the young Davros because it causes events that already happened. So the TARDIS simply took the Doctor to Skaro at the right time in order to close the loop in the paradox.
It is also possible that the TARDIS know that Davros and the Doctor need closure so it took the Doctor to meet the young Davros knowing it would cause a chain of events where the Doctor would be with Old Davros right before he dies, to give them that chance at closure.
^ Yeah, because it's important that Davros has closure!
Well, the TARDIS cares about all living beings, right? Although in this case, it is probably the Doctor's closure that the TARDIS is focused on.
Does anyone really believe that they are going to kill Davros off permenantly? Just like the Master he seems to keep on comiing back.
After the promo pictures I was disappointed we didn't get a rock and roll adventure with the Doctor.
I'm probably wrong on this but I got the feeling from the season 9 promo that The Doctor faced off against The Daleks in his shades and with his guitar. Maybe it was just the way the promo was cut together.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something; didn't The Day of the Doctor undo the time lock (or, more accurately, reveal that there never was a time lock thanks to the intervention of future Doctors, and Nine only thought there was because he couldn't remember those events)? Gallifrey never burned, it was just pushed into a parallel reality. Who's to say that Skaaro was ever time locked at all?
Come to think of it, this would help retroactively fix the absurdity of the RTD years 'revealing' a new batch of Daleks every season that somehow escaped the time war. They didn't escape from anywhere – they were always noodling around the universe and the Doctor just didn't know it!
There obviously was a time lock around the Time War, since it was because he interfered with the time lock and boarded Davros's command ship during its battle against the Nightmare Child that caused Dalek Caan to go crazy and have visions of the future.
And no, Day of the Doctor didn't undo the time lock or reveal there never was one. In fact, the only mention of the time lock is when everyone arrives at the barn and the Tenth Doctor notes that it should be time locked and something is letting them through. That something, presumably is the Moment.
And no, Day of the Doctor didn't undo the time lock or reveal there never was one. In fact, the only mention of the time lock is when everyone arrives at the barn and the Tenth Doctor notes that it should be time locked and something is letting them through. That something, presumably is the Moment.
From The Moment's perspective, the War Doctor was the present and everyone else was as made up and pretend as the Valeyard.
So the War hadn't been timelocked yet.
So the War hadn't been timelocked yet.
The time war wasn't locked after the fact.
It was locked (retroactively) at some point to avoid battlefields spilling throughout all of time and space.
To limit it it to the space time coordinates it had already contaminated.
Presumably by the Time Lords.
It limited the Daleks, but also themselves. Nothing could get out, nothing could get in. The only natural way to do so was to survive it (or be part of a predestination paradox apparently).
In The End of Time that was the problem Rassilon and the Council were trying to solve.
They wanted to ascend but were trapped by the lock. Though they had the power to crowbar their way out of it, thanks to the Master beacon. They didn't care about the consequences because in their mind the entire universe was already fubar and they might as well trash it.
It was locked (retroactively) at some point to avoid battlefields spilling throughout all of time and space.
To limit it it to the space time coordinates it had already contaminated.
Presumably by the Time Lords.
It limited the Daleks, but also themselves. Nothing could get out, nothing could get in. The only natural way to do so was to survive it (or be part of a predestination paradox apparently).
In The End of Time that was the problem Rassilon and the Council were trying to solve.
They wanted to ascend but were trapped by the lock. Though they had the power to crowbar their way out of it, thanks to the Master beacon. They didn't care about the consequences because in their mind the entire universe was already fubar and they might as well trash it.
But yet it was constantly stated that all of time and space was burning.
Year, I take that similar to an expression like "there is war and destruction everywhere in the world.".
That is not literally true, but everyone would know what is meant.
That is not literally true, but everyone would know what is meant.
The Time War being locked means to me that its events cannot be altered, which would include certain people and events leading up to it. IMO, if the Doctor (or anyone) decided to kill Davros, even if they succeeded, the Daleks would still end up getting created. Maybe by someone else, maybe Davros just ends up surviving somehow no matter what anyone tried. Time-locked must mean paradox-proof, such that no matter what you tried to do to alter it, it wouldn't end up making a lick of difference even if you succeeded. Likewise, while the whole Silence conspiracy to kill the Doctor was a paradox as well, I don't think they would have been able to proceed beyond the Time War in the Doctor's personal timeline to kill him.
I think it's sorta like Edith Keeler being killed anyway, just under different circumstances to ensure that time largely played out as it should from the perspective of the people mucking around with it.
Mark
I think it's sorta like Edith Keeler being killed anyway, just under different circumstances to ensure that time largely played out as it should from the perspective of the people mucking around with it.
Mark
If that were true then someone could just build a paradox machine ala "The Sound Of Drums" & "Last Of The Time Lords" and problem solved.
Two new clips from part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j1u7KPd8
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBTKySEnaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j1u7KPd8
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBTKySEnaw
^^Not available outside of America.
bummer. The first clip shows the Doctor very angry and menacing, pointing that "dalek gun" (the same one that he points at young Davros at the end of this ep) at old Davros and ordering him to leave the lab. Davros insists that he cannot leave because the apparatus he is attached to is keeping him alive. The second clip shows the Daleks telling Davros to return to the lab and ordering that he be protected. Davros begs the Daleks to save him and saying that the Doctor is escaping.
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