9X01 "The Magician's Apprentice" Grading/Discussion)
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Well, from Davros' perspective we could see and hear it, and Davros did still have the sonic, since snake-man had it years later to give back to the Doctor as proof.
As far as the face, this seems to be the first time Davros sees it, as he comments about liking the Doctor's new face.
I was thinking about the episode this morning. I liked the conversation between the Doctor and Davros near the end of the episode. It was not great; however, it had more substance than most of the rest of the episode did. I would have liked it if there was another conversation at the beginning between the two.
If I had the power to rewrite the episode, I would have the Doctor arrive at a war torn village. He would come upon a boy in danger. As the Doctor helps the boy, they learned about each other. In the course of this conversation, the Doctor comes to recognize who this boy is. As opposed to the name, as seen in the episode, cluing the Doctor into who the boy is, it would be details about the boy's family, home, or some other factor that would clue the Doctor into who the boy is. (Names are common. Before Adolf Hitler undignified the name Adolf, Adolf was a common name.)
Couldn't there have been a prologue about the boy Davros? I can imagine the boy toying with the idea of mutants and populating machines with these mutants.
If I had the power to rewrite the episode, I would have the Doctor arrive at a war torn village. He would come upon a boy in danger. As the Doctor helps the boy, they learned about each other. In the course of this conversation, the Doctor comes to recognize who this boy is. As opposed to the name, as seen in the episode, cluing the Doctor into who the boy is, it would be details about the boy's family, home, or some other factor that would clue the Doctor into who the boy is. (Names are common. Before Adolf Hitler undignified the name Adolf, Adolf was a common name.)
Couldn't there have been a prologue about the boy Davros? I can imagine the boy toying with the idea of mutants and populating machines with these mutants.
Oh, dear.
I just realized something with the cloaking of a planet thing.
Since Moffat loves recycling ideas, anyone wanna place bets on him recycling the cloaked planet idea for Gallifrey?
Either by bringing it back from it's pocket universe and cloaking it or the "plot twist" that Missy was telling the truth about its location in "Death in Heaven" but neglected to tell him it was cloaked.
I just realized something with the cloaking of a planet thing. Since Moffat loves recycling ideas, anyone wanna place bets on him recycling the cloaked planet idea for Gallifrey?
Either by bringing it back from it's pocket universe and cloaking it or the "plot twist" that Missy was telling the truth about its location in "Death in Heaven" but neglected to tell him it was cloaked.
You're absolutely right on that, Who nose?
But they made a point of using the sonic to talk, and Davros still having it.
Maybe he buried that memory until centuries later. The Doctor leaving him on the Crucible might have jarred it loose, despite the situations being different.
Missy isn't sexy, she's just arch.
There is more involved here than a cloaking device.
The gravity of a planet is much stronger than that of a space station. For the space station idea to work, to convince the crew of a starship the space station was a space station, there had to be a technology which altered the nature of gravity. So, what the crew believed they experienced was the gravitional pull of a space station versus a planet. Furthermore, to convince intruders that there worth seeing here, the Daleks had to extend this amazing technology's reach beyond the planetary system and extend into the solar system.
The gravity of a planet is much stronger than that of a space station. For the space station idea to work, to convince the crew of a starship the space station was a space station, there had to be a technology which altered the nature of gravity. So, what the crew believed they experienced was the gravitional pull of a space station versus a planet. Furthermore, to convince intruders that there worth seeing here, the Daleks had to extend this amazing technology's reach beyond the planetary system and extend into the solar system.
Thing is, to approach the Dalek "station", the ship would have had to be moving at a rotational velocity relative to the planet in order to land / dock. That means the stars would not have been hanging motionless when Missy and Clara "escaped" the building, and more importantly it would have been seriously topsy-truvy when it was appearing to bob and rotate when they first saw it. Unless that was all part of the illusion.
OTOH, Missy does mention in disbelief that the Daleks had rebuilt / rebirthed the planet, so they may have just stopped its rotation and revolution relative to the galactic core (or whatever star it was orbiting, assuming it even was), to give the teeny outpost bit the illusion of hanging in space.
'Course, Moffat will have considered all of this.
And what's the big deal about it being Skaro, anyway? The Doctor was there at the beginning of "Asylum of the Daleks", where he got captured - you'd think he'd learn, but regardless it didn't seem like that big a deal at the time. Mind you, THAT iteration of Skaro was a rather post-apocalyptic city featuring a mighty big Dalek statue... The current version is much more like it was in its very first appearance, although it still looked rather dirty and run-down. Some other time zone, pre or post Time War?
Mark
OTOH, Missy does mention in disbelief that the Daleks had rebuilt / rebirthed the planet, so they may have just stopped its rotation and revolution relative to the galactic core (or whatever star it was orbiting, assuming it even was), to give the teeny outpost bit the illusion of hanging in space.
'Course, Moffat will have considered all of this.
And what's the big deal about it being Skaro, anyway? The Doctor was there at the beginning of "Asylum of the Daleks", where he got captured - you'd think he'd learn, but regardless it didn't seem like that big a deal at the time. Mind you, THAT iteration of Skaro was a rather post-apocalyptic city featuring a mighty big Dalek statue... The current version is much more like it was in its very first appearance, although it still looked rather dirty and run-down. Some other time zone, pre or post Time War?
Mark
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And in case it hasn't been brought up yet - I think the absence of the New Paradigm Daleks is deliberate. It's possible that Davros is aligned with a faction of Daleks who are not with the NP gang, and since pretty much ALL of the non-NP Dalek styles are outmoded compared to them (and the standard gold "troops" they defaulted back to as of "Asylum"), they may be survivors of the Dalek race from every era, bonding together for relative safety from them. If they end up becoming the dominant faction somehow, this overall plot may dovetail nicely with the general unpopularity of the NP Daleks.
To be fair though, my daughter loved the NP Dalek plushies we didn't buy her whilst in Cardiff. :P
Mark
To be fair though, my daughter loved the NP Dalek plushies we didn't buy her whilst in Cardiff. :P
Mark
Why does Missy need to offer the Daleks a TARDIS? The Daleks went toe to toe with the Time Lords in a Time War. Surely the Daleks have comparably time travel technology.
That made no sense to me.
That made no sense to me.
To me, it was obvious from the beginning that she was messing with them and to have them try and kill her so she could make her get away. I think Clara figured out that out after a minute and let them zap her, just in the hopes that Missy wouldn't let her die.
Surely if the Daleks are still locked into the Time War, if only that one Meataltron dude, the Emperor, Dalek Sec and Davros escaped... What we are seeing here are Daleks from before the Timewar, or contingincies put in play before the time war to ressurect the Daleks, only in possession of pretime war level tech, should they have died out, or been stomped out, sorta like with the Cybertombs.
Davros cloned them fresh in season 4. He's from the beginning. before the beginning. It'd be like asking George washington to rebuild America after it falls next year. There's no way Davros knew the most modern tech when he was rebuilding the Dalek from ab grafts and nipple segments... Althought the Daleks must have left secret libraries for just in case the worst happened.
Davros cloned them fresh in season 4. He's from the beginning. before the beginning. It'd be like asking George washington to rebuild America after it falls next year. There's no way Davros knew the most modern tech when he was rebuilding the Dalek from ab grafts and nipple segments... Althought the Daleks must have left secret libraries for just in case the worst happened.
No you are not.. Do not listen to the naysayers. She is plenty sexy as is River Song and a threesome would be delicious..
I find River very sexy and wouldn't mind a night with her.
Of course they did. Why else would they PROCURE it?
There is one thing I'm happy about, although I suppose they still have time to annoy me.
When it became clear that they were going back to both the Sisterhood of Karn and Missy, I was worried that they would use that line from Night of the Doctor where Ohila offers Eight "man or woman" among other choices before becoming the War Doctor.
I didn't want them to suggest that the Master's sex change was only possible because of the Sisterhood's interference in 'natural' regeneration (if such can be said to exist). I would much prefer that changing sex is just something that happens sometimes when you regenerate.
So I'm glad that didn't happen. Although like I said, it still could.
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When it became clear that they were going back to both the Sisterhood of Karn and Missy, I was worried that they would use that line from Night of the Doctor where Ohila offers Eight "man or woman" among other choices before becoming the War Doctor.
I didn't want them to suggest that the Master's sex change was only possible because of the Sisterhood's interference in 'natural' regeneration (if such can be said to exist). I would much prefer that changing sex is just something that happens sometimes when you regenerate.
So I'm glad that didn't happen. Although like I said, it still could.
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Yep, that's right. That makes Missy's ploy all the more laughable both because they already knew what it was and the Daleks brought the TARDIS through time and space themselves.
Maybe the other poster was right. It was just a ploy by Missy to be "killed" in order to escape.
Mr Awe
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