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[Robert Simmons]

Thanks MGagen. Everyone seems to be looking for one thing to get the monitor overhead to agree with TOS stills when it is a collective of a bunch of little things to yield that necessary space and to get it to match.

1. shifting the inner face of the inner bridge ring from 9ft 4 inches to 9 ft 3 inches. ( again in adhering to the 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 inch breaks I’ve noticed macro level of everything from TOS stills and Stage 9 floor plans from Journey To Babel. IE bed frame height in captain’s cabin needing to be 18 inches to match height of back of knee while sitting on bed, 3 inch rail depth on the ladder between the engineering consoles, height of transporter deck to match the back of the knee at 18 inches and not 24, adjusting everything to the nearest 3 inch breaks when measuring as a few offhand examples. )

2. Subtracting 1/2 degree from each half console.
3. Raising the ceiling from 7 ft 2 inches to 7 ft 3 inches.
4. Shallowing the angle of the back plate of the upper moniter face and frame.
5. Changing the monitor frame face depth from 2 inches to 3 inches.
6. Taller dome. ( x 2 )

Clearing front yard of tree pruning pretty much done. ( if neighbor’s kid will finish hauling it off before I get hit with a fine. ) My friend came over yesterday and assisted in dismantling the bridge station so I can get the remaining measurement across the face of the monitor overhead. I’m 2 days behind on what I planned on. I’ll resume working on the drawings tonight. ( last night I needed a break )

 

[Robert Simmons]

Release 1.5.3 Continued
I'll try to do a larger revised cleanup of the dome profile page soon.

 

[yotsuya]

The 3 inch pattern makes so much sense. At scale that is 1/4 of a foot. A very easy division to mark out. On my Constitution plans, I went with a 3" pixel or 4 pixels per foot.

 

[TheRoman89]

Hello Robert,
I know this may be considered a „necro-post“, but I have been so fascinated by your amazing work on these set plans. I just wanted to let you know, that if you want I can redraw all your drawings in CAD for you and send you the pdf, dwg or whichever format you want.
I do CAD drawings all day at work, but it would be a most welcome change for me and maybe this could help you in continuing your amazing project! Please let me know if I may help you.
Kind Regards!

Roman
Long time lurker, made this account just to offer you my help.

 

[Robert Simmons]

Greetings TheRoman89,
Thank you for your offer. At this point I’m not sure what to do.
The full size science station has been thrown out.
The study models have long been thrown away.
I’ve kept all my reference in case I want to do more drawings to post here.
Lately I’ve been mulling over doing that for the bridge and full assembled orthos of the full bridge.
As well doing updated photos with color specs.
I haven’t cause I felt there really wasn’t much interest.
You are welcome to do as you suggest. My preferred file format is .pdf. ( hence the name ) I wanted that format since it contains many images and is readable on Adobe Acrobat which most people with a PC can read.
I’ll have to do a review here to see where I can pick up here.
Thank you for your support.

Robert Simmons
Vice Rear Admiral Nerd

 

[TheRoman89]

Hello Robert,
Thanks for your reply! I can‘t speak for the rest of the fandom, but my interest in such detailed set plans has been there since I was a little kid watching reruns of TOS on TV and so far it hasn‘t really gone away, except for a short peer pressured teenage phase…
Next week I‘ll have some free time and I‘ll do a proof of concept for a few of your drawings.

Your amazing progress and your altruism in this project still inspires me.

All the best!

Roman

 

[Robert Simmons]

I’ll try to post some stuff particularly the helm profile and some updated color reference sheets.

As a side request if this is being done in CAD could you assemble everything I’ve currently released as a full 3D model of the bridge. I would appreciate it seeing everything in its proper place. Some views from different vantage points around the bridge. Use the McMaster command module as a placeholder until revisions are posted. It would mean a lot to me.

Robert Simmons
Who?

 

[Just a Bill]

I haven’t cause I felt there really wasn’t much interest.

If you will indulge a recent interloper, please allow me to dispel that idea. I only just found your thread very recently, and I can say that my interest is off the charts. I have been reading and re-reading these pages trying to educate myself, as I am working on a physical model of the stage 9 set (inspired by Matt Jefferies' model, but about three times the scale of his and built mostly from wood). It's a ridiculous endeavor at my age, but this is the first time in my life that I have had the working space and some of the tools to even attempt something like this.

I am blown away by your thread, in both its meticulous attention to detail and your repeated insistence that this information is for the benefit of the whole fandom at no cost. It's remarkable.

When I saw yesterday that your last post had been over two years ago, I was worried that maybe you had experienced an unfortunate turn of events. So seeing your updates today made me very happy. Of course I would have a selfish motive in that your years of research and effort are helping me, but more than that you are a selfless contributor and, in my estimation, a "national treasure" for any TOS fan who has interest in these set details. If anyone here deserves the LLAP, you certainly do.

Now, on a more practical note, I'm wondering if I can maybe help a little. I'm not using traditional CAD per se, but I am doing a lot of my initial work in Sketchup. It's all in the wrong scale and wrong units (mm) for your project, but maybe I can try to make some "parallel" 3D models for you of your own geometries, that would be in 1:1 feet & inches. I understand 100% how nice it is to see one's own work rendered in 3D with the pieces fitting together.

I might need to kind of start over on all my metrics anyway, because the more I have read through your thread, the more I have started to feel like I took the wrong approach in building all my stuff right on top of a scaled copy of the Babel plan. Over the decades, I think many of us fans have collectively made quite a few assumptions and assertions about the available materials that turn out to be not true. (In particular, I agree with Robert Comsol when he refers to "major issues regarding the TOS set recreation for the DS9 episode." I absolutely love that episode, and am grateful to everyone who made it possible, but the T&T turbolift, for example, is just a mess of weak approximations from start to finish.) And I've learned from your amazing thread that not everything on my Babel plan actually agrees with the as-filmed episode, either.

Anyway, we can both ponder this. If you'd like to see some of your work in a format that looks something like the following — maybe at your scale, maybe at mine? — I can think about trying to carve out some time for this. I guess I should point out that the purpose of my 3D models is not photorealism, but rather verifying that all the geometries fit together and look authentic to the eye. Much like your goals for your paper models, I'll wager.

Here's a (somewhat obsolete now) WIP snapshot, just to give you an idea of how my models look. (FWIW, the attachment system for the wall panels is obsolete, as I have decided just this week to use a completely different approach.)

In any case, if I were to model your geometries a lot of the fine details would be different from mine, as I would not be limited to the thicknesses of the materials I am using for my scale model. (For example, standardizing on 5mm plywood requires certain compromises in wall thicknesses.) And fair warning, I have multiple RL responsibilities and limited time to devote to this project, so I am profoundly slow.

But yeah, this is a great way to view things from never-before-seen angles.

 

[Robert Simmons]

Just A Bill

Thank you.

Robert Simmons
Oh The dude who draws and makes paper models

 

[TheRoman89]

I’ll try to post some stuff particularly the helm profile and some updated color reference sheets.

As a side request if this is being done in CAD could you assemble everything I’ve currently released as a full 3D model of the bridge. I would appreciate it seeing everything in its proper place. Some views from different vantage points around the bridge. Use the McMaster command module as a placeholder until revisions are posted. It would mean a lot to me.

Robert Simmons
Who?

I work as an architect and the programm I use is great for building 3D models of ugly white concrete blocks and generating 2D drawings from that. I never tried to build anything as complex as the Bridge as most architecture is based on 90 degree angles
Anyway, I‘ll start with 2D drawings. Like JustaBill my goal is a physical model in the future.
But SketchUp is such a fun software! I loved using it in the past! I also love seeing your progress. Maybe this can become a team effort? A man who has such ambition deserves dome help!

 

[Robert Simmons]

A man who has such ambition deserves dome help!

I love the pun.

Robert Simmons
Some guy who likes puns

 

[TheRoman89]

Oh, that pun was purely unintentional
Guess I should proof read my posts more thoroughly

Roman

 

[Robert Simmons]

I’ll be digging in my stack of stuff today to find my reference for the helm profile. As soon as that is found I’ll draft that and post it.

Robert Simmons
Not tidy

 

[Bernard Guignard]

I'd suggest checking out the sketchup wharehouse you will find a lot of trek models some excellent efforts others need some work.

 

[Robert Simmons]

It is harder getting back in the saddle after not doing this for a long time. Found the references that I made for the helm on onion skin. I mismeasured the helm when I drafted it and had to make a new ruler after catching that. But I drafted it on the page I ruled out on the first ruler which is wrong. I’ll have to redo it. It’ll be easier next time since I now have the correct ruler.

While we are on this subject I need to let it be known that I am not a trained draftsman. Just self taught improvising on the fly. My original choice for trade was to be an animator in Japan in the early 1980’s. One thing they stress is learning to be “on model” in your drawing and learning how to spot when something looks off to the trained eye. Family disapproved of my preferred career choice, I didn’t have the money like some friends I had who went to Japan to become animators and I mistaken signed up for a printing class. ( major egg on my face ) A printing press operator is my lifetime profession. So I’ve been operating out of my element with this project. Besides using stills from the show’s sets my only 2 trusted tools is a calculator and my printer’s pica pile with a point size ruler. 18 inch length ) All my rulers have been built from that. So learning to spot anything off model is fairly easy. The hard part is prying the real profiles and measurements from stills is the hard part.

How you guys do it to look right to me is all that counts. My concern is providing as much as I can to get everyone to the finish line with your projects in whatever final form you guys want. I must admit I’ve enjoyed not having to do this for the past 2 years. And I had to come to the realization that it would be a monster task to draft everything. Given my limited time and resources I had to fall it back to focus on the more prominent parts like the bridge and arches and other things that weren’t just plain wall panels which are pretty basic. I’ve made peace if all I get out of this is just a corrected geometric bridge plans and a few notable set pieces around stage 9 then I think this project has justified itself in time and effort. The smaller details have been researched by others that I felt it was not necessary to bother with. So beyond the assembled orthos of the bridge I don’t think I’ll be doing much beyond that. The measurements of stage 9 done by Mytran was my starting point and I would recommend anyone start there. I must admit it took quite a bet of effort to get back into the drafting zone yesterday. I found it most distasteful and disabused me of the notion to pick it up again. Unless it is made easier this time around. And without the builder’s proof models with the notated measurements gone I don’t see myself doing all that all over again.

 

[Tallguy]

It is harder getting back in the saddle after not doing this for a long time.

Truer words.